Am I an agnostic or atheist?
Am I philosophical concepts, mental constructs, beliefs and ideas?
What am I, really?
j
for all of you non-religionists out there: do you consider yourself an agnostic or atheist, and why?
it seems many ex-jws that "loose the faith" have a tendency to go straight for atheism.
i myself, would consider myself more of an agnostic, as i believe we have no real way of knowing if there is a god one way or the other, and it tends to seem just as extreme to me, to insist that there is not one.
Am I an agnostic or atheist?
Am I philosophical concepts, mental constructs, beliefs and ideas?
What am I, really?
j
my first post out of the box was "what is a dub?
matt.
(shamless self promoter class) .
Welcome, IP.
A dub, is what you rub, in the tub.
As I recall, I found my dub at a very young age.
j
i came across an interesting site the other day and below is an extract from one of its web pages (does anyone know if the following is actually true as i've never read the quran?).
no wonder so many muslim men wear baggy trousers, it's to hide the erection they get when they look heavenwards!.
what i don't understand is what's in it for the women?
Black Sheep:
I don't prefer drinking my wine out of a cup, but other than that it sounds pretty good Ian.
Yes, I'm concerned about the cup thing, as well.
j
having been one of jehovah's witnesses for the better part of fourteen years and then having left the organization after having discovered the watchtower society's involve- ment with the united nations has left me second guessing myself.
often times, i ask myself why?-why?
did i not listen to my "gut feelings" when i held certain doubts about the organization?
Welcome, wanderer.
Following is a great article which may help you understand:
i've nearly finished reading the 2 ray franz books and i've been on this forum for a few months and i've wondered about this:.
on both the books and the forum much is said about the watchtower lying ,misleading ,being a false prophet ,having no conscience toward the after effects of decisions they have made that have effected peoples lives ,even sometimes tragically.. well ,ok ,but my observation is this :very rarely ,if at all, does anyone say directly that the watchtower is lead and influenced by satan.does this mean that :.
ones have lost faith in god /religion because of the watchtower org and now don't really believe in satan now.
Ones have lost faith in God /religion because of the Watchtower org and now don't really believe in Satan now
Perhaps most people have grown beyond the need of tribal deities and demons...at least on this forum. Also, once one leaves the Witnesses and comes to grips with the total deception of it all, it's as if our vision becomes more clear, and so it may become readily apparent that the most destructive and vile of ideas, is actually the concept of Jehovah the god of armies. Satan is a saint when standing next to this ultimate killing machine.
IMO
j
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im sad to report that my best friend (who is on this message board) has given into pressure from his wife and has started going back to meetings.
i know hell be reading this so, what advise do you have?
If we have no courage to be true to our own wisdom, then what does it matter? Perhaps there are those of us deserving of slavery.
j
how many jws have a real relationship with jehovah ?
i thought i did but looking back it was a relationship with the organization that i had.. i did pray, it always went something like "oh please jehovah make me more appreciative, and stop me being so negative, bored at the meetings and help me to enjoy the fs " .
i always felt the "third voice " you hear while reading the wt, was jehovah, i know it sounds nuts but i think this is why even though i had doubts, i always pushed them to the back of my mind.
What do my relationships matter, if I do not first know who I am?
j
just saying hi, and i am soooooo glad to find this site.
i have been out of the org.
for about 7 years now, and am just now feeling fully free.
Welcome to the forum.
Here, ya go:
j
i was thinking about this today, in that so many christians claim the bible never speaks of god killing unborn children.
they use references to god saying that he would apply the "eye for an eye" rule with the accidental killing of a child in the womb of the woman.
yet, does anyone realize the bible speaks of the hebrew god as killing several, numerous, unborn children.
Little wonder we live in a world so full of mans inhumanity to man, considering so many worship as "The Most High" that which is a murderous monster.
j
so, i went to my friendly neighborhood tattoo parlor today, and recieved my second and third (or 19th and 20th - depending on how you look at it) tattoo.
the chest is an extremely sensitive area, and so i was very aware that i was alive for the majority of the time.. oh, birds are often seen as a symbol of freedom, happiness, and arriving safely.
bones show regret, loss.. .
Aren't those the skeleton-birds the militant lesbians have tattooed on their chests?
I didn't now you were from Lesban. My ex wife was from there. That's how I knew about the tattoos.
j