*lost*, because it worked for you to wake up, you think it might work for others too, to wake up. You are right. Your given possibility to wake up is proven now. I hope you go on with your research on the je-hova Ba'al thing as it is one possibility of many to wake up and I am sure it works for others too.
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Quick update on sharing TTATT with my friend
by Gojira_101 inyesterday morning i got a message from my friend, the one i shared ttatt with last week and she wanted to meet for coffee.
this is the story/friend i'm referring to http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/1/ha-take-that-watchtower-one-less-borg-for-you.. i was really nervous because since our initial visit she had told me that two of her other jw friends wanted to talk to me.
after a little more prodding she admitted that her friends didn't accept what their own wt said about god's name and they wanted to talk to me to "bring me back to the truth.".
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Why do they call it the New World Translation?
by Tameria2001 indoes anyone know why the watchtower named their bible the new world translation of the holy scriptures?
it's been awhile since i have even had any of their books in my home, and most of the time i don't think about it.
i don't know why, but when i think of that title, the phrase new world order keeps popping up in my mind..
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*lost*, yes that is totally apparent. The Watchtower Company is founded on deception and lies. I guess we all agree on that.
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Why do they call it the New World Translation?
by Tameria2001 indoes anyone know why the watchtower named their bible the new world translation of the holy scriptures?
it's been awhile since i have even had any of their books in my home, and most of the time i don't think about it.
i don't know why, but when i think of that title, the phrase new world order keeps popping up in my mind..
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It's all about the game of the Watchtower Company. They play it for so long now and the gullible Witnesses of the Watchtower take part in that game by accepting the rules of the Watchtower. I find this very strange.
The Watchtower, September 1, 1987, page 20: "The United Nations is actually a worldly confederacy against Jehovah God and his dedicated Witnesses on earth. It is really a conspiracy, with the worldly nations getting their heads together and scheming up what they may do against the visible organization of Jehovah God on earth...".
I don't know much about David Icke. Just googled with search words like "jehovahs witnesses mason masonry illuminati" and got finally to the thread I mentioned above.
The big conspirary that the Watchtower Company invented can be found througout their literature. I just gave one example above.
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Why do they call it the New World Translation?
by Tameria2001 indoes anyone know why the watchtower named their bible the new world translation of the holy scriptures?
it's been awhile since i have even had any of their books in my home, and most of the time i don't think about it.
i don't know why, but when i think of that title, the phrase new world order keeps popping up in my mind..
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Relating to "New World" I found an interesting thread. Unfortunately not on this page, but it has to do with Jehovahs Witnesses and New World agenda. See link below.
Of course, even if it was so, Witnesses would not recognize it themselves. The development of a cult or any other religion takes many steps and is - years later - a mixture of many fairy-tales. The goals and purposes vary and are adaptable to the men who initiate cults, believes, religions, whatever. As long as people like to take part in such games and believe to get the promises with which the inventors tempt them, they try to win the game and just keep playing. As long as there are people who long for fairy-tales, there will always be people who make them up for them.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218924
But within the Watchtower Company the game got out of control with the rule of the blood transfusion. This game is not funny anymore. It killed so many people. I would not take part in it. Not even blindly. Control your Channel and the rules they invent.
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What will the JW religion be like in 2015?
by JimmyPage inover 100 years into the reign of christ and six more years of damage from the internet.
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what do you envision?.
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Self-fulfilling prophecy: Gone!
Could be it takes a little bit longer.
Don't you know Humanity and Humanism is on the rise?
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YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W
by *lost* ingod's real name and identity yhvh.
yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .
can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??
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Yes I know. In early times people worshipped many gods, some worshipped just one out of the many gods, and some worshipped more at the same time. But nowadays the big religions have a totally different image (imagination) of the only god, the god of the unholy Bible. I just tried to point out that Yahweh (the volcano- or mountain-god in the beginning) has a career. The German documentary is quite interesting. Hopefully it will be translated someday into English.
Yes I understand. It can be, that it is not the best agument to convince a Witness of the Watchtower by telling him, that the Watchtower promotes the Lightbringer. But somehow it is so apparent, isn't it? And if someone, a former Witness like *lost* realises it, I can understand that he has a need to talk about it, even if it does not reach many Witnesses, but I can tell you, it does reach outsiders and information like the Watchtower being a satanic cult could help as a preventive for outsiders not even to consider to become a part of that group. ExWitnesses can accomplish more, if they concentrate on unknowing outsiders. If a Witness of the Watchtower goes from door to door the one inside the house should already know more about the history of the Watchtower than the Witness itself. Informing the public would be a good strategy to save gullible people to become members of a cult. -
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YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W
by *lost* ingod's real name and identity yhvh.
yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .
can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??
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That is also my conclusion when reading the OT. Yahweh (JHWH) was one of many gods. And as we know, in these old times the illiterate desert tribes worshipped even volcanoes and mountains as gods, because they were not able to understand natural phenomena. Earthquakes, thunderstorms and floods appeared as anger of the gods. The roaring of a volcano was gods voice and so on. But over the centuries the invention of the ancient Yahweh (one of many gods) could win through and due to the promotion of some influential men could develop and transform to a new and single god. Monotheism was born. Yahweh (JHWH) had a wife, Asherah. The latest archaeological records proof that.
But I understand *lost*. If you want to argue with someone who's been talked into believing that Jehovah is and was the only god - which of course is also an invention of men, a misinterpretation and in some cases even a lie, or in the case of the Watchtower Company an open conspiracy, which I can proof with their own literature. If you want to argue with someone, who has been tricked into this conspiracy invention of the Watchtower than you have to think and argue differently. And if you study the history and the literature of the Watchtower Company and the pictures, images and words they use in their literature, there is no doubt, that the Watchtower Company promotes the Lightbringer (Lucifer), again, another conspiracy and invention of men.
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Who is Jehovah
by Jaime l de Aragon inthe term jehovah was the invention of a catholic monk (raymundus martini) in ad 1202, that name may not appear in scripture, because there existed not until the 12th century, so the jw can not say that appears 7,000 times in scripture, de hecho, in fact, this name is linked with that of demologia and illuminati,.
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But there is also strong evidence that Yahweh was just a volcano, as I mentioned before.
There is an interesting blog about it:
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http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com.es/2011/11/yahweh-volcano-god.html
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http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com.es/2011/11/list-of-biblical-verses-that-suggest.html
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Living Forever on a Paradise Earth?
by return of parakeet inthink about the dub concept of living as a human being forever on this earth.
it sounds inviting at first blush, but if you think about eternity, what would you do to fill the endless time?.
eventually, you would learn everything, experience everything, understand everything, grow tired of everything.
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As a kid I had to study the Watchtower literature with a man who claims to be one of the 144000. That was a big issue for me at that time. I personally knew a man who will someday look down on me from heaven, judging me permanently. And I was sure he would take a close look. Just think about it. No more privacy! No more privacy for all eternity? Not even when going to the bathroom? All of a sudden, their fantasy of a paradise lost all its appeal and of course all its credibility. I think that was also the time I developed critical thinking and I early came to the conclusion that paradise, under the circumstances the Watchtower Company describes it, was nothing else but hell.
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Do You Fear Death?
by Cold Steel inwhether you're a former jw, or active jw, or some other religion, or atheist, what do you say?
do you fear death and, whether yes, no, or i don't know, why?
have changed religious views changed your view of death?
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George Carlin on death. He makes me laugh.