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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

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  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  Sometimes I wonder if challenging elders like Ronnie is a bit like challenging the BNP - fruitless, and increases their sense of self worth.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  counted as a man for doing so

  by who? that sounds rather unreconstructed talk to me - women needing protected from elders... is he still the head of the house?? one could wonder why she didn't stroll into the KH and challenge Ronnie herself, that would have made an exceptionally interesting recording....
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  scotsman

  lol, it's been a long time since I heard one of these conversations! imho it's a waste of time to have pretty much any discussion with an elder but I appreciate that if you think you've found a more truthful form of belief it might feel worthwhile.

  You west coast boys certainly like to have your say! Good on you recording it, has RH heard it??
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  WT to entirely shut down Brooklyn soon? New developments

  by sir82 in

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  one thread already started on this, although you may have missed it since the topic title is not so descriptive: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/173227/1/moving-sale.

  here is a news article on it:.

  http://www.lohud.com/article/20090326/news03/903260466.

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  scotsman

  Th WTBTS leaving Brooklyn is not speculation it's definite. So say contacts in Mill Hill.
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  Riots in Greece

  by purplesofa in

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  what are the circumstances as to why the 15 yr old boy got shot by policeman in greece?

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  scotsman

  Riots in Iceland, now in Greece. Hundreds killed in India. Seems like the planet is getting thrown into an uproar lately. It is going to be a bumpy ride for a while.

  Sheesh, there's some marches in 2 Western countries and a bomb that affects white people in Mumbai and the planet's in an uproar??? I thought you'd be better informed BTS.
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  Brothers who were Gay but couldn't admit/accept it! Did you have some?

  by Witness 007 in

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  i have come to realize that being gay is something you are just born with....so why judge them if it's like being born a certain race.. a brother g_____ i knew was a zealous pioneer pushing 43 years old.

  he never married though the sisters thought he was dreamy and he had plenty of offers....."she's not for me" he would always, many times tell me some excuse.

  he loved to give only brothers a big hug...say if you gave a public talk or something.

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  Yeah, I knew one pretty well because I was one. I accepted I was gay but didn't think it was anyone elses business while I was a JW and feel really sorry for the men and women who remain JWs and endure spectacularly unhelpful speculation on their sexual orientation, sarcastic remarks and intrusive questions while adhering to a faith that tells them their inclination is wrong.
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  Prince (the JW/singer) endorses Republicans and bashes gay marriage

  by Gopher in

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  i thought jw's were supposed to be politically neutral.

  prince lives and proselytizes in l.a., and he came out in favor of the republican party and strongly for proposition 8 (the anti-gay marriage amendment that won the popular vote in california two weeks ago).. this guy is confused.

  a political jw???.

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  Prince has invited Junction Guy to be one of his new dancers too.
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  Juicing: veggies & fruit.

  by LouBelle in

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  i decided to live a healthier life and get some proper vitamins into my system other than poping a pill i'd get a juicer and start incorporating juiced veggies & fruit into my lifestyle.. in the begining drinking veggie juice - even with juiced apples wasn't the most delicious thing but i have to admit that the more i do it the more i enjoy it.. i juice a whole range of veggies from carrots to beets to celery.

  and it definately has made a difference.

  once a month i just juice - no food.

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  beetroot, apple, celery and ginger with a twist of black pepper. mmmmmm
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  Brother Prince at His Finest (NSFW)

  by neverendingjourney in

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  you definitely do not want to click on this link if you are at work.. http://www.imeem.com/people/rbgwo2o/video/a0ael-23/prince_gett_off_live_mtv_awards_1991_music_video/.

  this is a link to a 1991 performance of gett off at the mtv video music awards.

  prince performs in ass-less pants and there's a simulated orgy onstage.

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  I saw Prince on his '92 Diamond & Pearls tour, god he was good. Before he came on stage they played the video for Sexy MF a few times and so we all knew the chorus by the time he sang it live. Think me and my pals all had to lie about where we were that day....
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  You can effect a Tipping Point.....

  by sweet pea in

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  please prove to me i'm not posting in the graveyard shift....... besty and i were talking about password protected and family's exit this last few weeks.

  we are full of admiration for the way that they have left with dignity and obviously made many think.

  they have not faded, they had a good repuation until the very last moment - mark was an elder - but they stopped and made the decision to be up front and face the elders in a meeting.

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  I have to agree with this

  I advocate just letting go. If the org implodes it will be by it's own design and stupidity. I'm all for helping people out and I do at every opportunity. Fighting against the organization though I believe is futile and a waste of our time and energy.

  I saw lots of people join and leave the JWs in my 30 years as a JW for all sorts of reasons, and am sure that will continue as the doctrines morph. The congregation I left 7 years ago is now radically different, filled with immigrant JWs and bible studies and home to 4 foreign language groups. Sometimes I feel that this here tinternet gives the illusion that there's a battle and exJWs are part of an organised army... the reality is we're as organised as the the group of apostates that stood at the District Convention gates. Creating ripples as we leave may satisfy our egos but it's not for everyone.