Posts by Iwasyoungonce

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Filing a Lawsuit to see my granddaughter

by Nancy K in

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hi everyone, hoping you're having a good day...i am a "newbie", posted before (re: missing my granddaughter)..well, i have been thinking long and hard, and then long and harder still and i've decided to start a suit to see if i can get grandparent visitation to see my dearly-loved "chloe" who is 6 years old.

my husband is an attorney(not chloe's grandfather) and he wants to take them on, after seeing what 2 years of being cut-off from her, has put me through.

i have an illness, and the stress of missing chloe of course makes me feel worse.

Iwasyoungonce

(((Nancy)))

"This may be a dead end, but I guess I've already been thru so much, between my health and this stress, I feel like I have to give it the old college try"

Love is never a dead end. I believe you when you say that you love your little girl"s". I hope that one day you can make peace and share (with them) the love that you have for them. You are a "peacebringer" I.M.O.

"Wouldn't it be wonderful if somehow my daughter Vanessa's heart started to soften?"

I promise to say a prayer for you and your family.

I am in your bizzaro world where the WT is concerned. (My children are on the outside and I said that borg forced indoctrination as love will not be tolerated) My trapped family is 3rd generation and currently do not believe there is an outside the Watchtower. (There are only those who have not "The Truth" yet) I have accepted that I can not reason with them much less save them from themselves. The cycle of abuse was broken with my children and we have great relations will everyone but the borg. I admire your loving zeal for your children. I really do. You are an example to me that I have growing still to do.

Although I do not support the State dictating non parental visitation rights I will pray for you; that a way is found where you can share your love for your grandchild, with her directly.

Have you considered or tried voluntary arbitration? (As opposed to court itself?) Or, have you talked to Steven Hassan, read his book "Breaking The Bonds." Looking into the SIA ideals might be good for you. Being prepared in reality is your best friend on this trek.

And again if you never get the opportunity to say all the things that you want to then write a letter for your grandchild. Tell her everything you feel, all your love, dreams, and aspirations for her.

(Just trying to help)

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Quotes or Sayings About Lies and Lying

by blondie in

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"never chase a lie.

let it alone, and it will run itself to death.".

- lyman beecher

Iwasyoungonce

A liar will not be believed, even when he speaks the truth.

-Aesop "The Sheperd's Boy"

I do not mind lying but I hate inaccuracy.

-Samuel Butler

One Lies more to one's self than to anyone else.

-Lord Byron

I loath like Hell's gate the man who thinks one thing and says another.

-HOMER

Boys, I may not know much, but I know the difference between chicken shit and chicken salad.

-Lyndon B. Johnson

For a long time I have not said what I believed nor do I ever believe what I say, and if indeed sometimes I do happen to tell the truth, I hide it among so many lies that it is hard to find.

-MACHIAVELLI

There are three essentinal elements to a lie: the material must be untrue; it must be known to be untrue; and it must be told with the intention to deceive.

-TERENCE H. QUALTER

Lying is done with words, and also with silence.

-Adrienne Rich

The cruelest lies are often told in silence.

Robert Louis Stevenson

Is there a limit to the # of quotes that anyone wants?????????????

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Living in a dangerous world

by JH in

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a few years ago, i watched a tv program saying that nuclear bombs were missing from the former soviet union's arsenal.

they call them suitcase bombs, since they can fit in a suitcase or backpack.

today, i read an article that stated the same thing, but they are quit sure now that bin laden has a few of these in his possession.

Iwasyoungonce

dantheman,

If you need or want someone to talk to my email is open.

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Sweet Revenge

by JH in

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has it ever occured to you to think about doing something nasty towards the elders of your congregation after being disfellowshipped?

do you ever get ideas about getting even with them?

maybe your way of getting even is just by being here on this forum and letting everyone know about them.edited by - jh on 16 december 2002 18:19:0.

Iwasyoungonce

JH,

Good post!

But, I don't think that being here and telling what has happened to so many of us, and more important that there is life after mind contol, knowing it was not just you that they were messing with, it wasn't so much personal...They treat everyone like crap after awhile...It's...It's...It's just nice to know that something that seems so personal isn't. It's cookie cutter common! I don't see things here as vengence or hate. It's about the truth about "The truth." It is about the call for justice and not revenge. (Although I could live with revenge...If I wanted it)

Farkle already said it. That everything about the JW's have been covered. Ad nausia. And in his name I make sure to have pineapple with my pizza every time. But there are so many people that are going through either the years of hell that I had as an uninformed nincompoop, or others trying to do a slow fade (?) And of course the ever mounting Df'ed/Da'ed.

Ever see Leathal Weapon 2? When Mel Gibson takes his truck and pulls down the house cause he's real pissed off. About the tower...Ya I could see that. (Some here doing that)

Anyway I am rambleing so I will cut it off here.

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Is Warning re Possible Lawsuit Required?

by Scully in

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this is just a general question for anyone who might have some legal background on the matter.. if (and i expect there will be) an announcement is made to our former congregation that we are "disassociated", can i just go ahead and sue them (individual elders in the congregation) for slander and defamation of character?

the decision to make the announcement is one that has to go through the body of elders, right??.

is it necessary, when the elders come calling, to say "i will sue the shirt off your back and the bloomers off your @$$ if you make any announcement that slanders my name or defames my character to anyone"??

Iwasyoungonce

When I got to the boiling point I read up on harassment laws and when assult vairies from self defense. The bottom line is people are explosive. And JW's who think they are the "rightous"... times infinity. The thing is you have to make it perfectly clear that these people are not welcome in your presence. That is why there are no Mailboxes ect ect at any kingdom hall. They want to make it as hard as possible for you to state your desire for them to stay away. Anyone who says that all you need do is send a letter and they will remove you from a list is lying.

The hard part is to break away the JW's (Besides letting family die in mind) is they are in fact going to slander you and lie about you and defame you ect ect. And they are masters at it. They are putzes. I don't give a hoot what they say about me. EVERYONE I know knows they are full of chicken shit.

Again the key is make it clear as crystal that they are not wanted in your presence. Make them not fear the dog make them fear the owner. And I mean tell a lie about me and I will not only correct you but the whole freakin congregation on Sunday and your Aunt Martha in Dallas ya butt head I'll let her know what a liar you are too. (Worked for me)

I did not have to go to the level of the cong they know I don't bullshit. They leave me alone. (But they did test me in the begining)

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Filing a Lawsuit to see my granddaughter

by Nancy K in

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friends

hi everyone, hoping you're having a good day...i am a "newbie", posted before (re: missing my granddaughter)..well, i have been thinking long and hard, and then long and harder still and i've decided to start a suit to see if i can get grandparent visitation to see my dearly-loved "chloe" who is 6 years old.

my husband is an attorney(not chloe's grandfather) and he wants to take them on, after seeing what 2 years of being cut-off from her, has put me through.

i have an illness, and the stress of missing chloe of course makes me feel worse.

Iwasyoungonce

Nancy,

I am sorry for your situation. I don't know which end you are on as the WT subject or their prey. But either way people have the right to associate. On the other side there is the ideal of freedom from association. That seems to be ignored when sometimes when Grandparents are involved. I think that is criminal in the United States. Parents make decisions period I.M.O.

If the Jehovah Witnesses have the right to screw with people hurt and humilate them at weddings, funerals, in public and religous funtions, even have ex members arrested for showing up but then cry fowl when real people say no more I get real mad. Mulan is right in Washington Grandparents have zero rights to visitation. Thank God! The best thing that I can do is keep my children away from these psychos.

If you are the good guy here (We all think we are) and you loose your fight for visitation then might I recomend that you write letters to your grandchild. If you celibrate holidays and birthdays buy her a gift every year with a card and say what you are feeling. Someday when she grows up she might choose to read them. (Don't send them if your daughter will burn them, keep them with you) I don't think that the war with relgious zelots is worth fighting. If the Witnesses in my life would have stayed in it there is no doubt in my mind that verbal abuse would have become much more physical. They were already hitting my oldest child but I did not know about it until they were out of my families lives. Because of the lies, intimidation, and abuse (mental and physical) that these people inflicted on my family I will Never, Never, never let them in my life willingly. They are dead. period. If I ever even suspect that they are lurking I will take them to court for a restraining order and they know it.

I know that this whole thing is wrong. But I am not in contol of what they think they must do. And they thing that they MUST HURT in the name of their god. Sometimes people that are abusive are just plain evil. I have experienced the heartache that the Jehovah Witnesses gleefully inflict. They will rip your heart right out and not care about it one bit. 20 years of living within the comfort blanket of the inner circle is irrelevant. They will turn on you like a pack of wolves turning on one of their own with a single order from one of their leaders; It is only then that a Jehovah Witness will even begin to understand what I am saying (writing)

The reason that they don't mind being so abusive and heartless is that they don't believe that it will ever happen to them. But to ten's or hundreds of thousands of people it happens every year. The general public is unaware of this sinister abuse because most people find it so hard to explain; Even to themselves. It is so sad.

Again I am sorry that you are hurting. I hope you can find a middle ground. I have friends who have a granddaughter that they have never seen. (Nothing to do with the JW's) I can't understand how someone can love a religion more than their family. (BTW A religion is not Christ) We have adopted them and they will be spending Christmas with us.

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Where is God?

by donkey in

why does god allow this stuff?

according to your teachings, believers, just so he can stroke himself and show how man has failed.

in fact believers will read this stuff and shrug it off because in the future god will fix it it and it just proves why we need god..

Iwasyoungonce

Realist,

I side with you on this one. Personally I don't take issue with order out of chaos. In fact I find some of the posts here quite comical. Even my 4 year old child comes up with better answers to problems than "Blame it on Rio...I mean God." (Same for giving credit too.)

P.S. Mr. Moe,

Hail to you for your post.

Edited by - Iwasyoungonce on 16 December 2002 14:1:14

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Witness personality traits?

by happysunshine in

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does being raised as a witness encourage the development of certain personality traits, good or bad?

-jedited by - happysunshine on 14 december 2002 5:7:5.

Iwasyoungonce

The sowers of doubt. The actions and personality go hand in hand.

15

Living in a dangerous world

by JH in

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friends

a few years ago, i watched a tv program saying that nuclear bombs were missing from the former soviet union's arsenal.

they call them suitcase bombs, since they can fit in a suitcase or backpack.

today, i read an article that stated the same thing, but they are quit sure now that bin laden has a few of these in his possession.

Iwasyoungonce

I'm with pleasuredome. Wait to worry.

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I am Closing my Email Account

by Robdar in

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friends

i am closing my email account listed on this site.

somebody has been trying to send me viruses via the account addy but so far i have been savvy and they haven't been able to cause damage.

fortunately for me, i have 3 other email accounts.

Iwasyoungonce

That Sucks!!

People who create viruses should have thier fingers smashed with a hammer one at a time.