Posts by Iwasyoungonce

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war in Irak

by happy man in

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it look like busch is going to start war, sad, and unbelevebel that he dont listen to peopel who warning fore the consquenses, this could be the start fore something wery bad, war against musslim an christans all over the world.. .

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/08/international/middleeast/08mili .html?ex=1039928400&en=5ddab7815da6ba8a&ei=5062&partn er=google .

Iwasyoungonce

Happyman

who never have done anything against US sitisens.
US NOW is terror bombing Irak evry night and several innocent peopel are killd, as we can read in Sweed newspappers.
Yesterday i hear from a friend who have a contact widh a former US submarine officer, he said to her that Bush is a typical Texas wild west cowboy

Well, Happyman according to your logic then the USA should just pull out of the UN because unless it concerns our boarders and citizens we should stay out of it. That is dumb logic who is going to defend those countries who cannot defend themselves, Swedes? HA! Truth is most of the world just does not care until it is too late. Proven fact. (Or do I need a WT history lesson)

Terror bombing civilians EVERY night yep that is how we get world support along with the brilliant strategy of killing civilians while leaving all military targets in tact. That way we can do it again. And at huge costs of bombs to destroy clay houses and tents in the other holes of the world we will be making money in no time. Yep leave it to the Swedes to uncover this Western conspiracy. Our true plot is to turn all the sand in the deserts of the Middle East to glass. SHHHHH!

And I know that you say it is the friend of a friend that knows someone who I assume is out to sea so can't be contacted as YOU may not say this per se but "Bush is a typical Texas wild west cowboy." What do you have against Texans? Are you an anti-Texite? And what about Cowboys? Are you an anti-Cowinarian? I am really concerned about this. I like and admire the brave people of Texas and I am well aware of the deep seeded hatred that the Swedish people have always held towards these people. I am aware of the full scale propaganda program that the Swedish media has been campaigning for years to infiltrate the sovereignty of the Lone Star State. The oppression of these people will not go unnoticed by the world!

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Benefits to strengthing SOCIAL ties between us?

by Pathofthorns in

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i realize my comments are a bit wordy and my thoughts scattered, but i just thought i'd toss this out.

in the past, jw's argued on doctrine and the xjw community argued also on doctrine.

these days many jw's are no longer able to argue their own beliefs and the xjw communty has less interest in discussing jw doctrine or christian doctrine.

Iwasyoungonce

"For many leaving the WT, life can be very scary and lonely. Not all will find themselves in a good position and it may take some time to get themselves on their feet again." You said it Path.

This site and all the others like it are really for these people. The ones who decide to come out of the cave. If this site shut down my life would go right on. For me it is a worthy time drop; but I hope for others I can give a peice of insperation. Arguing doctrine and dogma is just like arguing politics and parties. It's about who gets to rule in the imaginary world of Ideology. I see so many people here that look towards unity in purpose not religion. Most are tillted to the pagan or athiest side but I find them much easier to get along with than Fundamentalists. Whatever your doctrine even science and proof if you are a Fundmentalist the first casualty will be faith. And that is sad. Because with the loss of faith comes the dispare of being void of hope. And then the loss of trust. IMO & experience.

The lack of direct arguing with Witnesses now is because they have been defeated and exposed for the lies that they tell. There is no more to say. All they have left is threats, more of the same lies, betrayal, and name calling. That is a waste of time. They are terminal. As they come out of the darkness, sites like this one will help many avoid dashing on the rocks as they come to shore. Nothing is hidden and there is no bigger conspiracy. It is all laid out in the open. Take what you want and leave the rest. Here you get to control where you go, what you say, and whom you talk to. It is somethng that is unique, and forgien to contol mongers.

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Informal Witnessing

by SixofNine in

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*********:lol.

*********:yeah im 41 now.

six...........: *sigh* lol... yeah, just about everybody.. *********:you should be happy really .

Iwasyoungonce

SixofNine,

I respect that you could chat so calmly about everything. Your concern over her medical condition and not wanting to upset her shows your spirit. You were very kind while respecting your own point of view.

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war in Irak

by happy man in

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it look like busch is going to start war, sad, and unbelevebel that he dont listen to peopel who warning fore the consquenses, this could be the start fore something wery bad, war against musslim an christans all over the world.. .

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/08/international/middleeast/08mili .html?ex=1039928400&en=5ddab7815da6ba8a&ei=5062&partn er=google .

Iwasyoungonce

I agree that this is a powdercake Happy man. But it is really too bad that Iraq has such a bugger for a leader. I for one will not miss hearing his name. This has been going on since at least 1991. It is not begining it has been on going. I would like to see this resolved one way or another. And as for the Muslim/Christian or Muslim/Jew or Muslim/Muslim fighting um.. It is not going on all over the world now?

"Unreasonable men make life so difficult"-Blind Fury

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My Boys Won

by LB in

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i'm coaching highschool basketball at the 1a level which is small schools.

we have just 82 students in our highschool now.

today we played in a championship game at a tournament.

Iwasyoungonce

LB,

I'm happy for you and your boys.

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JW Statistics

by ScoobySnax in

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ok i'm probably way behind here but i just got the jan.1st 2003 issue of the wt and was looking at the service report and notice the 2.8% increase wordlwide, as opposed to the 1.7% on the last years report.

many here have posted before that this figure is somehow "fiddled" by the wt and is not accurate due to the new 15 minute rule, how is that?

i looked at an independant source www.adherents.com and note that they say the witnesses are meticulous and known as particularly accurate in their data, and even "conservative" in their estimates of membership compared with other religious groups who tend to inflate their numbers.

Iwasyoungonce

Hey ScoobySnax,

I did go to your link and I am not a jw so I can or maybe should stay out of this. But I have a question. What is your point? Are you trying to say that if people have no proof that the stats might be inflated that they should put up or shut up?

Because as for time cards I know every jw I have talked to with their hair down admits that they put down time to fill the required duty. If it is not REALLY time SHHH! And for membership ya I bet they can keep it up. Imagine if you were born into a devout Republican party. You had to doorbell for all Republican candates regardless of what they were like they are Republicans damit! They are the one true party. If you ever voted for any other party or read any Liberal propaganda you would be subject to instantly being disowned by your family, your friends, even your children would no longer speak to you. Voting Republican is a given every year unless you want to loose all your "family." Imagine if you were found to be speaking friendly to someone with a liberal attitude that speaks out against the one true party "The Republicans" and then what if the Republican Party Police started stalking you and spying on you. It might keep voting republician up in the polls but I think that would be unethical. Forcing people to stay Jehovah Witnesses and do that organizations subjegated instructions is also unethical. That alone in my book dismisses any stats on them because of the way that they keep members in a constant state of servitude is unethical and it goes against the fundamental principals of the LORD, and the message of the Lord they claim to serve. Their numbers may be real but that does not mean that they are right.

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Weapon for all the fools in your life

by Iwasyoungonce in

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this is a must have in your arsonal against all the fools in your life.. use it wisely, (i hope you never feel the need to send it to me.).

be ready to laugh because how many times have you known someone who needs to have this.

or if a nut makes a post this should pop up.. http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~kinho/youare.swf.

Iwasyoungonce

This is a must have in your arsonal against all the fools in your life.

Use it wisely, (I hope you never feel the need to send it to me.)

Be ready to laugh because how many times have you known someone who needs to have this. Or if a nut makes a post this should pop up.

http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~kinho/youare.swf

I would love to have every KH meeting end with this link "Now turn to the person next to you and sing!!!" (Look at the link)

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Does this happen often here?

by Lin in

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i just finished reading and replying to yizuman's post requesting financial help!

join a forum like this and within days start asking for money?!

does this happen often here?

Iwasyoungonce

Yizuman,

The way that you asked for money does in fact amount to pan handling. And, that is offensive to many. I know that it is a new phenomenon folks to ask for money on the internet from complete strangers. I have read about a lady that has a web site to help her pay off her $20,000's of debt. She just wants some help so she does not have to pay it all off because that would be hard and take a long time.

Yizuman we all have been in tight situations before. Have you considered taking on a boarder or a roommate? Or even to take a draw from Wal Mart. What town did you say that you live in? I will look in your paper and tell you some places to get a job. This is America if you want a job there is one for you; Whoever and where ever you are. Sometimes it is hard but it is there. I don't think that this chat forum is set up for donations and some here will never do such a thing. This ain't a church trust me.

Lin you know if you were judging unfairly I would say so. You are not judging or condeming at all. You are giving your opinion to a solicitation. IMO

I have a multi six figure debt and I would be happy to send out deposit slips to any philanthropist lotto winners (Just kidding)

How old are you Yizuman? Because if you are a troll then you are an ass, If not then I can help you get a little $200.00 crisis under control.(Go to Payday loan?) The thing is what about next month. You need a long term solution not a one time shot. You say that you know Jes? Did you ask her if you can use her name? Because if not then Lin is right to say Hey i think not! Lin is her kin and IMO has the right to do so.

A story,

Mother Teresa opened the church doors to find a half starved young mother with a wretch of a child in her arms. Please help me said the mother neither me or my child have eaten in three days. I have asked everyone for help and they all say You are young go get a job and take care of your own child. No one will give me a job because I am a unmarried woman with a child. Please help me. Mother Teresa said of course you will have my help child, wait here. She fixed some gruel and went back to where the young mother was; There were tears silently flowing from the mother's eyes, but the tears were not of gratitude. In the time that Mother Teresa went to get the food the child had died in her mothers arms.

(This is a true story from Mother Teresa's diary.)

Yizuman, I hope that you are real. The Jehovah Witnesses have made many people here very suspect of people like you. Do not take offense to it. If you really do need help the solution is out there. You can Email me if you need to. If you are a huckster please stop wasting your time.

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Reality check: World less happy about America

by Pathofthorns in

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facinating results from a global poll relating to public opinions of america in various countries around the world.. [url] http://www.torontostar.com/nasapp/cs/contentserver?pagename=thestar/layout/article_type1&c=article&cid=1035775217105&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724[/url].

a major survey on international opinion released in washington yesterday shows u.s. popularity has plunged across much of the world amid mounting perceptions that the united states is running roughshod over other nations.

the planet's sole superpower commands only tepid affection, just as the u.s. government struggles to win international support for a possible military incursion against iraq as the next stage in its war on terrorism.. in fact, the prospect of a u.s.-led offensive aimed at overthrowing iraqi dictator saddam hussein has become a major irritant between washington and even its closest allies.. .

Iwasyoungonce

I find it amazing how many people talk about Nationalism, which is bad, when so many of the posts I read are about patriotism, which is good. There is a difference.

One thing that is so overlooked is this very thread. I challenge anyone to post something like this in China. Freedom of speech is not allowed. Islamic supporters talk about America's lack of support towards Islamic rule. It is dismissed as evil. Even when elections are held they are not respected by the West. The reason is the complete void of freedom of relgion. That is a vital thread to a true democracy. IMO until there is much more freedom for all people respect is not something that they deserve. So many here are comming from a desired Theocracy I am chilled at the support for such oppression. I think that Islamic rule shows what it would be like with JW power in charge of the military. And, if they could enforce public policy pacifism would be past tense.

True, Americans are patriots for the most part. I am proud to be one.

No, America is not the only Country worth being full of pride towards there are others. In fact where ever you are born you are going to have a passion towards, it is your homeland. America is so often snubed by snobs and I say so what.

I read all the time in the paper now where the bad US has bombed here and there in the past and that is true. But there were other Countries involved. The world is a dangerous place and I for one am glad to be right were I am.

3 out of 4 Americans currently support the actions towards Iraq. And Iraqians in the end will be better off than they are now.

The UN is currently in agreement with the Iraq issue. Support and opinion; That was the big issue first American support, Bush got it. Then it was congress, they have his back. Then the UN, and the vote was 15 to 0. That one made history I beleive. Now it is the public opinion inclusive to whole world. What will be next a poll of how the average Iraqian soldier. Or maybe we should give Sadameds word some real weight. I remeber that fool from Washingtion State going to Iraq and saying IMO "Take Sadam at his word and to not trust Bush." What a dork.

Wait I got it let the brilliant ones at the WT Headquarters figure out what to do. Ya that is what I need, to go to a KH for that lesson in history. They have that history thing down to a science.

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dating an exjw

by garfield in

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i have been dating an exjw for a while now (  he is a poster here, zanex) just lookin for any advice anyone might have.

i am a non-jw and the only thing that i know about jws are what he has told me and it is not a pretty picture.

he mentioned this board to me a while back so i thought i would check it out.

Iwasyoungonce

Garfield, hello.

I am like you a never been JW. My wife was the one raise in it. She left it when she was 18. Her stepfather, mother and 2 of her 1/2 sisters are to put it bluntly, dead to us now. She has quite a family outside the cult but they have always been kept from her and the jw's lied about how horrible I am as well as their daughter. It is so hard to connect with her family so we have a long distant relationship.

You are not right about the jw'ness not leaving a person, it can. I would have said the same thing a year ago. But, I can say that it is in fact gone from my wife. (I AM SO HAPPY!) I really think that when she saw how petty her family is in action to me she lost all respect for them. She saw how hateful they are to me, not just to her. It is one thing when jw's are mean to the one that is shunned. That shunned one has been conditioned to accept that kind of behavior as normal. When it spills over to people that they love and that have no reason to be hated, exjw's realize that this cannot be accepted and they are free in mind. They no longer accept hate as love. The best thing that I ever did was set clear boundaries with the cult. Over time when we had our first baby the jw's became our new best friend. They just slipped into our lives and slowly blurred those boundaries. When they (boundaries) went back up this year I was threatened, screamed at, and called every name in the book. They looked me right in the eye and lied to my face. They lied about me, about my wife, and even lied to my children about us. They are sick people.

I have heard here that 30 is an age that people cut ties. The reason IMO is babies become children. We see ourselves and we have an opportunity to shield them from what we endure. We break the cycle of abuse. Yes, the prophesy scares are still there but they are no longer all there is to life. I have a little boy and a little girl. I swear that my kids are like little angels. They are all the hope I need to have faith that everything is going to be OK. Even animals protect their young from danger. And the Jehovah Witnesses are dangerous.

I would recommend that you study the principles of brainwashing, propaganda, and mind control. Even a relationship can be a "cult" relationship. Learning how and why some people are compelled to control will benefit you in every aspect of your life. You can learn how and why the need for control is self defeating when it is projected to others. The key is to turn that yearning for power inward, use it to understand what you need, want, and who you are.

There are so few JW's and their doctrine is ludicrous that they alone are not perceived as a great threat to the general public. But all controling "cult" groups and authoritarian groups are. It might be worth your time.

Hope I did not babble to long.