Posts by robhic

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Black magic victims.

by greendawn in

the jws always try to frighten their members by telling them that disobedience can open them up to demonic attack and we know this is nothing but a mind game to keep them in subjection.

however it is claimed that certain occultists are paid by resentful people to cast spells against those that they hate eg to ruin their families, businesses or make them ill or depressed.

these occultists are people co operating with demons channelling their destructive energies through black magic against fellow humans.

robhic

In my opinion, it is definitely how receptive or believing the mind of the "victim" is to this stuff. If you think it can happen -- it probably will, in one form or another. Mind over matter.

Years ago when I was younger, I got really drunk one night. Being a weekday I had to work the next day (mechanical job). I went into work with a massive hangover and just mentioned that it seemed warm in the shop. There was another guy there who was a real psycho-somatic type. When I realized I had caught his attention, I thought I might have some fun.

I asked him if he thought it was warm. He said not really but looked concerned. Then I told him I thought it was cool and he tentatively agreed. This went on for a little while, me telling him it seemed warm and then a little later telling him it seemed cold and back-and-forth like this for a while. I also interspersed my temperature complaints with a headache and such.

After about an hour this poor sap went home sick! He had gotten sick with chills and had to go home because he (thought he had...) the flu or something worse. This guy got a case of chills and self-inflicted flu ... from my hangover and the power of suggestion!

Needless to say the others in the shop thought it outrageously funny and never let this guy live it down. Yep, the mind is a powerful thing!

Robert

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MAN: to blame? GOD: benign and caring? What is the whole truth?

by Terry in

almost every watchtower publication we've ever seen begins in the garden of eden.. we are told the earth was created for man.

we are told man was given a paradise and that his disobedience introduced to the world sin and death.

man ruined the wonderful, gentle and peaceful plan of god.. that is the story we are told.

robhic

Terry:

I enjoy each and every post you make. Hell, if you are this much fun on the internet I'd bet you'd be a real blast after a few beers!

Your posts all make such complete sense to me. And I consider myself an atheist due to the overwhelming lack of concrete evidence for a god-being. Your post kinda changes my thinking.

I, too, would certainly be open to proof from a god-being that he existed. Just something simple (but proveable...) would do. Now I have to think about being the "lazy agnostic" I used to be or stay as an atheist. Ahh, decisons, decisions...

Thanks for sharing your insight and thoughts,

Robert

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fandabbidozey

by netclocker in

i am looking for help regarding some unsolved prophecies, regarding the king of the north and the eviction from heaven of satan, the woman, and three and a half years, or 42 months, or a time times and half a time.

i have tried various forums over the past 4 years but only seem to get ridiculed or deleted.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/66606/1.ashx this site here locked me up.

robhic

the reason i think that adam was 30 is because it says so in the jewish law that a male could not be registered as a man untill 30 that he was under his father untill then.

Welcome and "fandabbidozey" right back at ya! One problem that I see is that not only was adam not a jew, as has been earlier pointed out, but the jewish religion had not even been dreamed up by the future goat herder/israelites.

So how could adam be registered as a man under jewish law when it didn't exist, he wasn't a jew and technically, since he was the first person ever in the whole universe the jews would have to subscribe to adam's rules and not vice-versa?

Robert

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advice please

by susank in

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hello.

i am not and never have been a jw, but have recently become involved with a man who is, and i hope some of the people here can help me because i'm confused.

robhic

An intelligent woman with a job and some financial security. A guy with no job, no prospects, no motivation and is exceedingly judgmental. I think his religious affiliation, while another red flag, is the least of your worries! Be careful, move slowly and good luck. Choose wisely... Robert

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churches appreciating each other

by rebel8 in

yesterday i saw something i've never seen before.

a protestant church on the left side of the road has a sign saying it's their 50th anniversary.

there is a rc church right across the street.

robhic

Ha! It's only one of satan's nefarious tricks to make you think other churches are getting along! It's a charade.

Robert

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House-to-house confusion

by robhic in

i know i've seen both sides of the house-to-house argument.

of course, jws say it is approved in the bible while non-jws say it is the opposite.

but on reading in another topic i happened upon a quote implying paul wrote in favor of house-to-house preaching so i looked it up in the american standard version bible.. the ones i usually see that speak against going house-to-house are the following:.

robhic

From my understanding, the bible DOES support preaching from house to house for the first century Christians. A time when there were far fewer people in the world. A time when people would answer the door and talk and you had a chance to get through to them. I DON'T think it applies to our time as it seems innefective now and I think JW's use Acts 20:20 to support it in OUR time.

This makes as much sense as anything. I thought along similar lines, too. Go from one house (in one town or city) and use it as your "base of operations." Then, when you are ready to move on, find another hospitable home in another city/town and use it as your new base. Don't be moving around town. Since there really were no established churches, this makes sense. Like one of those travelling revivals!

Being in a single location would also make it easier to find the house where the preaching was taking place for others who would want to go themselves. I don't think it has anything to do regarding door-to-door as we think of it today. I agree that it is an admonition to stay in a central-type location and preach to whomever shows up there. Don't be cruising around town...

The time when this was written seems to provide all the context for the statements and nothing as we interpret it today. I don't think there was a lot of door-to-door panhandling or whatever back then. You could get killed!

Robert

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House-to-house confusion

by robhic in

i know i've seen both sides of the house-to-house argument.

of course, jws say it is approved in the bible while non-jws say it is the opposite.

but on reading in another topic i happened upon a quote implying paul wrote in favor of house-to-house preaching so i looked it up in the american standard version bible.. the ones i usually see that speak against going house-to-house are the following:.

robhic

I know I've seen both sides of the house-to-house argument. Of course, JWs say it is approved in the bible while non-JWs say it is the opposite. But on reading in another topic I happened upon a quote implying Paul wrote in favor of house-to-house preaching so I looked it up in the American Standard version bible.

The ones I usually see that speak against going house-to-house are the following:

Luk 10:7 And in that same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. (Pretty specific.)
1Ti 5:13 And withal they learn also to be idle, going about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. (Kinda less specific but "dogging" house-to-house, anyway.)

But I just looked at this one at Acts 20:20 where Paul does say:

how I shrank not from declaring unto you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly, and from house to house,

So now I am confused (not that I really care one way or the other...) but this kinda throws a bit of confusion in. It seems that the great misogynist himself, Paul, is saying going house-to-house is not only a good thing, but profitable in the teaching area.

How do you make the case to JWs that the door-to-door work is not scriptural when Paul seems to put the stamp of approval on it? I am confused... Any ideas?

Robert

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JW's and Katrina

by Tyre in

jw's and katrina (see : original source).

want to help victims of katrina?

just give us your money, we'll sort it out .. .

robhic

Witnesses skilled at rebuilding quickly
Saturday, September 10, 2005 By DAVID BERGENGREN [email protected] [...]
"We still have volunteers helping from last year's hurricanes in Florida," he said.

A year? Umm. I guess they aren't so quick afterall. Then again, when "soon" and "near" can equal 100+ years, quickly and a year isn't such a stretch.

And why not get some trucks like the Red Cross and Salvation Army has? Might make these specious claims a bit easier to back up...

Robert

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ANYBODY STILL HAVE A WITNESS MENTALITY?

by stillAwitness in

o.k so i am living the "double life" i suppose.

but its funny how sometimes i still catch myself doing or saying things that only a "really spiritual" preason would.

like the other day when i saw a cute tank top on sale but it said "libra" on it.

robhic

I was never a witness but, rather, raised and schooled a catholic. I found this site to learn as much about JWs as possible due to a relationship with a JW woman and just stuck around. The amazing intellects and the high amusement value of all the stories and their wonderful posters keeps me riveted. But your title made me think.

I was raised catholic but haven't been in a church (except for a wedding or funeral) for probably 30 years. I hate ALL organized religions but due to my upbringing, schooling and general apathy, I maintained a sense of "religion" even though I practised none. It was just routine and I never really thought about it. I suppose I was a lazy agnostic.

After coming here and reading all the "religious" stuff and the horrible way people were treated while in the organization, I started to think in terms of religion in general. ALL religions seem to treat their people poorly most (all?) of the time. Maybe some don't but they all seem to have a dark side.

So after my tenure here and doing some thinking and a massive amount of reading, I was able to put away my routine, "because that's what I've always done," traditional-centric thoughts on religion and god. Yep, JWD helped to turn a lazy agnostic into a full-fledged atheist!

But, again, since I wasn't a JW I couldn't have a "JW mentality." I kept a "religion mentality" for almost 49 years before I had my epiphany so your question is legitimate across seemingly all religious training.

Robert

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Book Study Wk 14 9/26: pg 99-107: Four Words That Changed the World

by ithinkisee in

chapter seven: four words that changed the world

however, i shall read the writing itself to the king, and the interpretation i shall make known to him.

11. why might babylons wise men have been unable to read the writing?.

robhic

The words, robhic, are "Mene, Mene, Tekel, and Parsin" Or, translated, shivers, to "Numbered, Numbered, Weighed, Divided." You're about to be disintegrated.

Thanks, JGNAT for the explanation. And I ain't being disintergrated by NObody! Jehovah better get over himself! At least that thread from a week or so ago makes more sense to me now.

Robert