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  WT Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-30-03 WT Study

  by blondie in

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  wt comments you will not hear at the 3-30-03 wt study

  february 15, 2003. wts quotes will be in red; reviewers comments in black or in parentheses.

  why observe the lords evening meal?.

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  Maverick

  It appears to me like a showy display to 'prove' they are Christians. When in fact they act more like the Jews at passover than the first Century partakers. Jesus said to, "Do this in remembrance of me." But most J-dud just sit their like their watching some hokey cultural village show for tourists! According the Central Command these J-duds do not directly benefit from the Memorial. Only the FDS can save them! Buying new clothes and going out to dinner after is the Big Show! The FDS make a big push to get the numbers up, so they can prove God's blessing. It's realy pitiful if you think about it. Maverick
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  Confessions of an ex-elder

  by Irreverent in

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  since this forum is for cleansing and healing through sharing, i want to share some confessions of an ex-elder.

  how could i have allowed myself to be conned into becoming an elder?

  and, after becoming an elder, why did it take me 3 years to finally figure out the hypocrisy of the organization?

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  Maverick

  As a recovering member of the dis-serving body for sixteen years you have my best wishes for a solid recovery. I think the good hearted try to see the good in others and find it hard to admit it may be lacking. The more Christ-like you try to be the more they put on your plate to keep you from coming up for air! Take a deep breath and may you have peace. Maverick
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  The WatchTower and Higher Education

  by Maverick in

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  runningman's post on the fallacies of the watchtower reasonings started me thinking on the gb's stand on higher education.

  i am impressed with the superb thinking ability of many who post here.

  unclebruce, stephanus, victor_e, gamaliel, blondie, undisfellowshipped, and machislopp to name just a few.

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  RunningMan's post on the fallacies of the WatchTower reasonings started me thinking on the GB's stand on higher education. I am impressed with the superb thinking ability of many who post here. Unclebruce, Stephanus, Victor_E, Gamaliel, blondie, Undisfellowshipped, and MacHislopp to name just a few. These people have exposed the GB's faulty reasonings with both clarity and wit.

  So, in my own humble attempt to follow their lead, I looked up the lastest material I had on this subject. My thinking is that the leadership does not want the RF to be 'too on the ball'. In my 25 years on the inside I took a lot of abuse for continuing my secular education.

  The 89 Awake 5/8, pgs.12-14 paint, what I think is, a fairly accurate picture of the J-dud master's stand on Higher Education. They promote the ministry over any additional schooling and assign value of all post remedial training with its usefulness to their mission. And they employ some of the very logic mentioned by RunningMan in this Awake article.

  Example: Paragraph ten states; While statistics indicate that university graduates earn higher salaries and suffer less unenployment than high school graduates, the book Planning Your College Education reminds us that these staistics are mere averages. Only a minority of university graduates receive sky-high salaries: the rest are paid wages that are far more down to earth. (Italics mine.)
  What did they actually say? What is sky-high, or down to earth? What does 'mere statistics' mean?

  Paragraph eleven states; 1 out of 5 [university] graduates who entered the labor market between 1970 and 1984 took a job not usually requiring a degree... What they don't say is 4 out of 5 graduates did get jobs they would not have gotten without this education. And what does 'not usually' mean?

  Paragraph fourteen states;"Students still have almost unlimited freedom in personal and social matters..."This is aimed at the parents, big time! Heaven forbid, you have to trust your child to think for themselves! The J-dud masters won't let the RF do that so why should their grown kids!

  Paragraph fifteen gets to their real motive as it states;The pressure to maintain high grades has caused some Christian youths to neglect spiritual activies and thus become vulnerable to the onslaught of secular thinking promoted by unviersities... They don't want people to actually start thinking and 'see' the manipulation methods they employ. And they color their reasoning in the negative.

  Well, what do they want from the RF? Worker bees! Smart enough to function but not smart enough to out grow the party line. Paragraph seventeen spells out the acceptable attitude and stand all good J-duds should have; But often there are apprenticeship programs, vocational or technical schools and short-term university courses that teach marketable skills with a minimum investment of time and money... They go on to talk about the 'short time left', this was published in 1989, that's fourteen years ago. Think of all the J-duds working for ten to twenty thousand dollars less each year since this came out. Think of their quality of life and personal satisfaction lost as a result of following this FDS! Think of their dulled mental abilities! I think I need an aspirin!... Thank you for your support! Maverick
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  Watchtower logical fallacies

  by RunningMan in

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  i believe that in order to effectively immunize a person against the disease of watchtowerism, it is necessary to bring them to a full, conscious understanding of their tactics.

  i am currently working on a document for my son that shows how the society uses faulty logic to make their points.

  the document lists several common logical fallacies and then provides examples from the societys teachings.

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  RunningMan, It was a pleasure to read this well thought out, intelligently presented post. Thank you. Maverick
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  help what bookstudy book are we in?

  by lostandnotfound in

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  i am new here and i usually dont come to these type of places as they are rampant with apostates.

  i still belive in most of the teachings but its the people in the org.

  that have turned me away.. the reason that i am posting though is this, i have been inactive for a few months now but i have been holding out telling my parents, friends etc.

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  Maverick

  Dear Lost: Sorry for your loss, my friend. As I have stated before, we are not apostates of the True God! We do not usurp Jesus place in God's arrangement, nor do we claim to be the earthly channel of His Holy Spirit! We welcome you unconditionally. We will take you at face value and help, if you let us. You said you are not happy. Time to grown up and set your own course in life. May you have peace, Maverick
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  Australian for beginers. lesson 1

  by unclebruce in

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  thankyou for pasting this for me pr_capone .. yeah, it's turned out rough as guts .. i'll try and edit the squiggles out of the bastard

  australia is the home to the oldest living culture on earth.

  aboriginal australians speak many languages and most now speak english.

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  Maverick

  Who ever said Australians speak English? I was in country for a month and understood one word in five. Everyone sounded like they had a month full of marbles. As for being understood, I would lay on the Southern accent and the locals all looked at Blackguard as if the say, "Translate that will you matey?" At least Blackguard understood me. We were in Bunnings and I called out, Hey goober!', and he was the only person to look around! Maverick
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  I Need Advice - Brother being DF'd tonight!

  by BobsGirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just got a call from my baby brother.

  they will be announcing that he has been df'd tonight at the hall.

  he was crying, he has told me that the rest of the family has already started to shun him.

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  Dear Bobsgirl: Get copies of Steve Hassan's book on Mind Control and Ray Franz book Crisis of Conscience and bring them to your brother. Tell him to take some time, read these books and call and talk to you about what he is reading as he needs to.

  As for the other family members, like Mom, ask her to read the account in the Bible about the prodigal son. If this account took place today in the Organization, the older son could have brought charges aganist the father for eating with the younger son. Ask her how would Jesus feel about that? Encourage her to keep the lines of love open for her son, your brother. Who knows, you may win them both. May you have peace, Maverick
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  "Satanic Thoughts" in The Finished Mystery

  by refiners fire in

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  the organizations position, if pressed, is that they prefer dubbies not to read the finished mystery book, because, even though it served gods purpose and stirred christendoms priesthood into a white heat of hate, the book contains some satanic thoughts that god allowed to slip in there for some reason.

  anyway, i thought i might present some of these satanic thoughts so that the household of faith can know what they need to be on guard against.

  satan seems to have slipped in a lot of his own thinking, especially when it comes to the books interpretation of the symbols of revelation and what these mean.

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  Did these guys live on laudanum? I doubt you would find any active J-dud that would admit their FDS could write such total fiction. How could this even fit their 'old light/new light' justifying mind bend? Great job! Maverick
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  should shunning be reversed?

  by kls in

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  it is so sad when i read threads of persons finding their in a cult, and want out .problem ,their family will shun them and ignore there own children and close family members.what if things were reversed?

  what if the person leaving this cult shunned their loved ones, letting them know they are being brainwashed and you don't want their sick beliefs being pushed on them all over again.

  i do believe cult members enjoy shunning , it makes them feel superior and they feel they are taking a strong stand just like the gb says to do .give them a taste of what they dish out ,shun the jw, if they won't convert to using their own mind, shun them with out guilt .

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  Yes shinning should be reversed. Send these poor deranged braindead relatives cards on their birthdays, wedding anniversaries and all holidays and send them gifts and call and leave messages and tell them how much you love them as often as possible. Be a real pest with acts of kindness and interest in their pathetic lives. At family gatherings, talk real sweet and warmly to the witnesses in the presence of other non-witness family and friends. Talk about their meetings and anything they are interested in. If they try to bring you back in the fold confess, in a loving tone, that you have simply outgrown all that cult stuff. Confuse the hell out of them. Maverick
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  I'm Done With This Site

  by LB in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  back when i joined the site i had lots of concerns and i was given some great advice by some special people here.

  i'll miss you.

  but the time has come for me to move on.

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  Maverick

  Unlike the J-duds the door is always open. You are welcome at my fire anytime! Maverick