Posts by Euphemism

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Governing Body - How did it come about?

by IslandWoman in

the governing body is a devilish clown.

it was bad enough when knorr was president but since the governing body came and in effect deposed him things have gotten progressively worse.. how exactly did the governing body come about?

they did not invent themselves, sure there was the board of directors but they did not have the kind of power the governing body has.

Euphemism

The board of directors was referred to as a governing body for quite a while, even though it was such only in name. After the elder arrangement was put in place in '71, it didn't make a lot of sense to have a single man as head of the organization, so the GB was enlarged and given more powers, at least on paper. They weren't happy with their lack of power, however, and there was a lot of dissatisfaction at Bethel with Knorr's autocratic rule; so after a political struggle, Knorr saw the writing on the wall and aceded to a motion of the GB taking over management of the Society.

There's a fairly detailed account in Crisis of Conscience, although it leaves out (or barely mentions) some important parts, such as a major meeting with all the Bethel elders in which complaints were aired.

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"Library Card" Defense refuted

by hooberus in

watchtower 1976 10/15 632-6. .

the "mark" of the beast would identify the one having it as belonging to that "wild beast," giving it full support.

ellicott's bible commentary notes that the mark 'surely means the acquiescence to the principals of this tyrannical world-power.'.

Euphemism

Thanks for digging up that quote, hooberus. I've always thought that the Malawi business was particularly what made the NGO registration so hypocritical.

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Sodom and Gomorrah: A Request

by Euphemism in

jw
friends

hear ye, hear ye, hear ye!

i'm using up one of my precious two daily topics to post this, so you'd darn well better read it!

i am hereby proposing a moratorium on all mentions of the flip-flopping on sodom and gomorrah.

Euphemism

Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! I'm using up one of my precious two daily topics to post this, so you'd darn well better read it!

I am hereby proposing a moratorium on all mentions of the flip-flopping on Sodom and Gomorrah. Most Witnesses did not and do not give a damn whether the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah will be resurrected. I know that when I was a loyal dub, I certainly didn't; and I was by far more interested in doctrine than your average JW.

If we can't come up with examples of Watchtower flip-flopping on issues more important than the resurrection of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, we all ought to have our apostate licenses revoked.

All in favor, say aye!

(All not in favor, keep your traps shut. )

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When the governing body die off, then what happens ??? Another "new class"

by run dont walk in

i am presumming that all of the governing body are of the "annoited class" and up there in age.. so what happens when they can no longer look after things, which should be soon, there are no other annoited really to take over.

and 10 years from now all the supposed "annoited ones" will be gone.. whta will become of the governing body ??????.

the watchtower must be a bit worried.. will there be "new light" and make up a new body ?????

Euphemism

Are there only 10 guys on the GB now? And Barber's almost 100; Barr's 90; Schroeder's in his 90's, and Sydlik's in his 80's. (Actually, I thought that Schroeder was dead? That would make 9.)

I personally know of a couple of anointed CO's in their 50's; they've both been in the traveling work for less than ten years, but one got pulled into Patterson a year or so ago, and the other got put into NY Circuit 1 this year (that's the circuit that has Brooklyn Bethel). The one who was pulled into Patterson is a pretty solid guy; the other one is a stick in the mud.

Obviously, however, they're desperate for any remotely qualified anointed men they can get their hands on. Many of the new partakers are individuals with emotional problems; and others are looked down upon in their congregation for their presumption, and so are unlikely to gain organizational position in the current conformist climate.

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Crappy Jobs???

by Maverick in

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friends

thanks to the policies of j-dud central a lot of people have less than satisfying jobs.

i am one of the fortunate few who loves what he does.

i work for the rich and famous and get to travel a lot.

Euphemism

LOL @ Pleasuredome! I so wanted to do that! I still might. I can't decide between going back for a second bachelor's in theology, trying for a second bachelor's or possibly a master's in religious studies, or going for a master's in computer science (which is what my original bachelor's is in).

I wish I had left the WTS before I went to college, however. I had awesome opportunities--to work on a research team, get sponsorship for graduate school, even get published--that I let go by because I was planning to pioneer.

Hey, Latin... now look what happens when you mention bartending... there are ads on the side of the page for learning to tend bar!

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here's one way to deal with illegal imigrants

by Pleasuredome in

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12348960,00.html

Euphemism

Please tell me this is a scam.

If this is true, it is a violation of international law and human rights conventions, not to mention the canons of basic human decency.

If it's put into place, those who ordered it and anyone who implements it should--and probably will--be tried by the ECHR or the World Court.

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Well, here's my story

by ignorance is strength in

well here's my story:.

i was born into a jw family, my father having been converted and not really much of a believer and my mother being born into it .

my mother's family first became involved with jw's when my great grandmother was converted from, i think, catholicism (i'm only saying that b/c she was irish).

Euphemism

Welcome, IIS! I'm only 21 years old, but I wish that I had been free of the WTS before I went to college; I could have enjoyed it so much more.

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The cross -- new light?

by robhic in

i could swear that i read here a while back that the wts was softening their position on the cross.

i searched the different forums but either i am completely mistaken or my search technique sucked.

i found nothing relative.. anyway, can anyone shed some light (new or otherwise.... thanks,.

Euphemism

I'm still am active dub, and I haven't heard anythling like that!

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Who really writes the talks

by anglise in

hallo everyone.

the earlier thread about the min school reminded me of the number of times that i researched and at least partly put together items and pub talks for 'he must be obeyed'.. this was necessary because he worked full time in a demanding job which left very little leeway for cobbling the many assignments together.

at first being a good dub wife i felt guilty at doing this but in talking to others whose husbands also worked full time and were not part time cleaners or window cleaners i found that several other elders wives had always done this.. not only the talks but also sorting out the school assigments, the schedules, field service arrangements, sorting the auditing, coach and accomodation for the dc and ca, checking the accounts etc.. lots of these sisters also helped their children put together their items.. rather makes a mockery of the male privilege of "taking the lead".. most elders and ms are unable to cope with all the pressures and work if their wives dont do most for them.

Euphemism

Actually, a lot changed officially... the w92 11/1 explicitly stated:

So when parents and young Christians today, after carefully and prayerfully weighing the pros and cons, decide for or against postsecondary studies, others in the congregation should not criticize them.

There's also a public talk outline on education that has a very similar statement.

It's still true, of course, that the objective of education is supposed to be supporting oneself as a pioneer. Articles in the KM often suggest going to a trade school instead of a full college, and trying to pioneer while one is in school. But the official position is definitely looser than it used to be.

I do also agree with peacefulpete, however, that a lot more young witnesses are also disregarding the "encouragement" to pioneer. And frankly, the social pressure isn't nearly as strong as it used to be. Growing up, kids are inevitably exected to have "spiritual goals." But if they don't pursue those goals after graduating, few people are going to raise an eyebrow.

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Pat Garza passed away :(

by onacruse in

jw
friends

just got a call from lisa,

lisa suggested that if anyone would like to express love to atty it would be appreciated to send a contribution toward atty's last expenses.

lisa will be at atty's apartment for another 3 weeks, more or less, to clean things up.

Euphemism

This is the first time I have heard of Pat, but she sounds like a brave woman. May she rest in peace.

Reborn wrote:
Was that the woman who attended the silentlambs march in New York with Bill Bowen and made the allegations of sexual abuse on children in satanic rituals?

The only info I can find on Pat Garza is her accusation that she was raped by Ted Jaracz. Does anyone have any information about these accusations of satanic ritual abuse? I know someone who has recovered memories of such abuse, and I'm sure that they would be interested to know that others recount similar experience.