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  Those who enter paridise, how are their sins paid for?

  by drew sagan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wts teaches that when an individual physically dies he is 'aquitted' or 'set free' from sin.

  the verse they use to support this view is romans 6:7 which reads: .

  7 for he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.. .

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  In Judaism, only the offended party can forgive you your sin. You must make amends or pay a fine. That is why murder cannot be forgiven; the deceased is not around to accept your apology or restitution! (Ere the Jews were scandalized by Jesus' forgiving of others' sins.)

  Who is the offended party to Adam's sin? Was Adam's death payment for the sin of disobedience? How about, death is the natural and only consequence of any creation distancing one's self away from God? If Jesus has to take the place of Adam (while alive) and pay restitution for the sin of disobedience; to whom is the price paid but to the offended party (God). ??

  Jesus is the offended party, takes the place of the offender and then dies in order to make amends for the offence he committed against himself!!! Paradoxes aplenty. Jesus also called himself Alpha and Omega in Revelation. He has all angles covered.

  Even if Jesus is not god you have the innocent party (Jesus) being punished for the guilty party (Adam) as well as making just one death (Jesus') expand quantitatively to cover the deaths of billions of humans (Adam's offspring). Pretty good bang for one death. Are you complaining?

  The payment of the innocent person's death is paid to the innocent person's own Dad who allows this transaction to occur and calls it JUSTICE!! It seems more like mercy than justice to me (even though it is both).

  The offended party is God, right? In what way was God, jehovah or jesus god offended to the extent 6000+ years of human suffering and death were not enough to quell the sense of damage?? Human life, death, pain, and freedom and the holiness of God are not shallow subjects. Treating them like a quick math problem is not ever going to reveal the reality that God sees.

  Why is Jesus death as a demi-god, god, son of god (take your pick) so similar to the pagan idea of the death and resurrection of their make believe deities? How did the unbelieving pagans correctly guess the sacred secret???? Surprise! God loves unbelieving pagans enough to show them something meaningful and helpful. God's a bit more helpful and gratuitous than we can suspect (and much more than the WTS teaches).

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  Those who enter paridise, how are their sins paid for?

  by drew sagan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wts teaches that when an individual physically dies he is 'aquitted' or 'set free' from sin.

  the verse they use to support this view is romans 6:7 which reads: .

  7 for he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.. .

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  Thanks for the headache, MJ!!

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  Please "Study" With Jehovah's Witnesses, I beg you!

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are a former jw, or just one who is interested enough in the cult to spend time here on jwd, i emplore you to accept a 'bible study' with jehovah's witnesses when they next call and offer.

  by so doing, and having of course a full knowledge of the doctrines and practices they employ, you have a special opportunity!

  you can use the study for the following;.

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  I printed out a list of questions/problems I have with the WTS, and keep it handy.

  Last time I had a JW (I finally started getting visits again after 6 years of none), I told her that I've got lots of questions and red flags, but no JW has ever been able to help me out or come back to answer them. She gave me a surprised look. I told her I had a list of questions ready, and if she'd be willing to exchange I'd take her WT. She agreed.

  Never saw her again. But it's a simple idea--you don't have to prolong contact, and you can have the information really handy. Maybe a good idea for some who don't want to interact much or, in my case, who don't have the time available (yet don't want to waste an opportunity).

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  GOOD BYE

  by hubert in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  good bye jedi master......ha, fooled you.

  okay, what's the next step?.

  hubert.

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  Aaaargh! Such a dirty trick!! You certainly got me with that one.

  Hope this will hold you over until someone gets you one that is nicely animated...

  CONGRATS!!

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  GOVERNING BODY member Carey Barber dies.

  by yesidid in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and that's all i know.. he was 101 and appointed as a governing body member in 1977.. .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/97874/1.ashx.

  yesidid.

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  It is an organization that is not lead by any one person or group of persons but a set of ideas that have a life of their own.

  Well, then, if there isn't any real leadership here, then what will it take to bring down a machine?

  When liability is an issue, everyone hides (eg, NWT, names of GB, articles in the WT). I think desertion will happen when a lawsuit involving names of individuals at the top finally happens.

  If the WTS starts to lose ground now (dwindling growth and income), desertion will be even easier.

  GaryB, that was a sobering post.

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  signs

  by BR25 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it would be alot easier if they had symbols on here for everyone below their names.

  i dont know if they do or not.. i try to back the jws, but i dont know if i am talking to athiests, other christians, disfellowshiped ones, or people who just left the truth.

  it would be nice to know sometimes.. you might ask why i would wanna know because i should answer everyone the same way, but on here you cant.

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  Hi BR25! A late welcome to the board!

  When I joined there weren't as many folks posting as now, so basic details about people who posted the most were easier to remember. We have newbies posting everyday now, I think.

  There is a profile link under each user name, and some people use that to explain themselves a bit. Have you tried using that yet?

  Sarcasm is sometimes hard to discern in posts of folks whom you don't know yet. In that case, you might want to note that point in your reply.

  One thing that helped me a lot was to spend a great deal of time reading before I began replying. Then, I had a better feel for the community and also had time to read and research the topics/issues, too. I hope it helps my posts. If you are being authentic about how you see things, are respectful in presenting your thoughts, and show integrity in defending your opinions (as well as integrity to admit whenever you might be wrong!), then you should be able to handle even the ones who might (occasionally rudely) disagree with you.

  BTW, I have never been a JW, and I am (as jgnat regularly calls herself) a "garden-variety Christian".

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  Is this SEC filing related to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

  by DevonMcBride in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=watchtower&cik=&filenum=&state=&sic=&owner=include&action=getcompany.

  watchtower advisors lp (0001226081)state location: nybusiness address.

  62 w 87nd st. suite 4r.

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  2127990788

  Looks like a phone number on the info... call them and ask! (Dare ya.)

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  blech

  by Nosferatu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife was down in the us this past weekend.

  she brought back a bunch of goodies like tato skins (yum!).

  she also brought back these drink boxes called "yoo-hoo".

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  Never heard of the stuff. Maybe it's a regional thing?

  Like hominy and grits...?

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  Could This Kill The "Preaching Work"?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.insuranceboard.org/press/covenant_winter2005.pdf.

  http://drustevenson.blogspot.com/2005/02/more-church-liability-17m-for-van.html.

  i believe that the society - and its lawyers - are agonizing over this trend in the us.

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  BB,

  That's so crazy!!

  If that were to happen again today, the trouble might be in showing that a particular synagogue had authorized this--that the mob was acting in a voluntary capacity somehow. Whom would you have sued, if the WTS hadn't stepped in?

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  Video of last night's Memorial protest at Kingdom Hall

  by kool aid man06 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  enjoy.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8zcz-eabi8.

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  Those signs were not cheap, and they made sure that internet sites were prominent. Those guys put their money where their mouth is and they deserve credit.

  More power to them!

  bebu