Of course. Didn't you hear about the one where the brothers got invited in, were handed a drink and something to eat, and some time later asked "so, what side of the family are you from?"
Posts by gcc2k
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by Medic!? indid anyone else's congregation "strongly encourage" this practice?
when i was a worshiping rusell.... jehovah.
i felt sick to my stomach and disgusted that these people had absolutely no consideration for the beliefs or practices of others.
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Is recovery possible?
by gcc2k inhi guys.
i haven't posted here in a year or so, perhaps more.
i'm not sure what i want to say, and i'm not sure that i want to put it down, since the more info you give here, the easier it is to be spotted.
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gcc2k
Just wanted to say thanks for the replies.
We'll see. Part of me wants to sever all ties to the KH and move on with my life, but I know that will make it harder for my wife and other family members.
I flitter in and out of this site because it's easier to ignore these issues than to think about them (well, that and lack of time!). Maybe eventually the WT will get caught with its pants down in large, black and white, undeniable fashion. The UN stuff is pretty damning, but that seems to have blown over these days.
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Wife wants my 12 year old to have her own study. Strategy?
by Check_Your_Premises inawhile back i was smart enough to tell my wife i didn't want anybody instructing the children outside the home.
i tried to make some other changes, such as the kids go to church with me every other weekend.
well my 12 year old has been thoroughly indoctrinated to believe that other churches are satan!
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gcc2k
Here is how I feel about it.
The purpose of study is to lead to baptism. Baptism as a JW means accepting the JW teachings, including the blood issue. To me, that is a legal contract, which a minor cannot sign until the age of 18 (I think, I'm not a lawyer).
So, I don't intend to allow my son to have a study or be baptized until he is 18. At that point, if this is what he chooses, it's up to him.
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Is recovery possible?
by gcc2k inhi guys.
i haven't posted here in a year or so, perhaps more.
i'm not sure what i want to say, and i'm not sure that i want to put it down, since the more info you give here, the easier it is to be spotted.
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gcc2k
I don't believe the WT is God's true organization. I think they have a lot of good people with good hearts and Godly devotion, but they are certainly not qualified to act as God's mouthpiece. No, I don't need an organization to be moral, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult without having some form of godly fear.
This fear is, for me, what keeps me in check. Sure, atheists can be moral as well, but I have always been a God-fearing person, and at the point where I start to wonder whether there is a God or not, I feel like I am in a downwarn spiral.
Thanks for your reply. I've always enjoyed your posts, and you are a good example for me of someone who is "out" (or almost out?) and still able to define a way of worship.
I mentioned therapy - I'm not opposed to it, but I find that therapists will take you in the direction you want to go in. For example, you say "I sometimes think of cheating on my wife" and they say "Well, is that a bad thing? Why?"
The bottom line is that there are things in the past that I would never do. Nowadays, I can do them if I want to. But I know deep down I shouldn't, and I don't want to.
I know this is all very amorphous without getting into specifics, but that's the best I can do. Sorry for the earlier formatting, this site still does not seem to support non-IE browsers.
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Is recovery possible?
by gcc2k inhi guys.
i haven't posted here in a year or so, perhaps more.
i'm not sure what i want to say, and i'm not sure that i want to put it down, since the more info you give here, the easier it is to be spotted.
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gcc2k
Hi guys. I haven't posted here in a year or so, perhaps more. I'm not sure what I want to say, and I'm not sure that I want to put it down, since the more info you give here, the easier it is to be spotted. I've been inactive (dead?) for several years now. Thankfully, I've been left alone by the elders, except for 1-2 occasions, the last one being relatively dangerous to my status. I don't hang out with "apostates", I don't tell anyone what to do, I just live my life. I go to the Memorial each year as some slight proof to my wife that I'm not completely dead. Here is what I am thinking about... Since I've walked away from the JWs, I've been left with a spiritual limbo. I don't pray anymore, and I'm not even really sure what to believe, because being a JW was so marvelously black and white, everything was clear. It was the loss of this clarity when certain teachings changed, that showed me that God couldn't possibly be directing these changes, it was men, people like you or I. In addition to losing my religion (go ahead, you know you want to hum some REM), I have experienced a personal change in my morals. I'm sure you have gone through this too - you can do things, just because. I find myself pushing the limits of what was once my own personal morality, and I'm wondering if I am letting the pendulum swing too far, because I've lost the moral compass that once kept me in check. I'm OK with my spiritual void for myself, but my sons are at the age where they are asking things like "why doesn't Nanny worship Jehovah?" and "does Daddy worship Jehovah?" I asked my oldest son to explain to me what "worship" means, and he could not tell me. I also worry about having my kids exposed to people at the KH, not just for the possible child molestation, but certain elders that I know are imposing their own personal rules on people, at times. So... I was actual thinking about going back. Crazy, I know. It's that or therapy, because I'm not very happy with the person I have become. It's not that I am a serial killer or something, in fact the "bad things" I have done are laughably mild, but they hurt my conscience. The noblest thing to do would be to leave my wife, tell the WT to take a hike, and seek my own path. But, I love my wife, and my kids deserve a solid home with two parents. As I said initially, this may not make a whole lot of sense, but I had to get it out. Has anyone read "A Purpose Driven Life"? It's received good reviews, and I wonder if it's any good in getting me back on track. Thanks, G.
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Another question from the new guy...
by SwampThing ini have another question if you all would be so kind as to enlighten me.
after reading hundreds of posts here, i understand now why some people stay in the wts even though they would like to leave.
the loss of friends, family members and such from this bizarre practice of "shunning" could be devastating in the lives of some people.
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gcc2k
Someone who is baptised will be called in for a chat, and eventually a committee meeting (with 3 elders) where he/she will be asked a few pointed questions. Failure to answer those questions correctly will result in the indivual having disassociated him/herself by his/her response. Someone who just wants to leave can simply ignore any contact attempts by the elders, in which case they will have the meeting without the inidividual, and the same conclusion is reached. Sorry if the formatting of this post is off, I guess we still only support IE browsers (grrr)
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who owns Kingdom Halls?
by Dogpatch inhas there been any change in who owns the kingdom halls?.
last i knew it was the watchtower who owned them all, but the pubs had to pay the rent and mortgage.
are any or all of the halls in the names of local elders?
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gcc2k
The original steps listed: 1. The congregations donate their labor to build the hall! 2. They borrow the money from the Society which they actually contributed! 3. The Society charges them interest on the money! 4. When the loan is paid off, The Society owns the building? You forgot: 5. When the hall needs renovation, the congregation sinks more time and money into the building. 6. When the hall is deemed too small and/or not worth renovating, they sell it (usually to Babylon the Great). 7. They find and purchase a piece of land (see 2. above). 8. See 1. above.
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whither jourles?
by gcc2k in.
just came back to the site after a hiatus, and was disappointed to see that jourles is gone.. i see that dirtclod is also gone, can't be coincidence.
can someone pm me and fill in the blanks?
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gcc2k
Got the info I was seeking, thanks.
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whither jourles?
by gcc2k in.
just came back to the site after a hiatus, and was disappointed to see that jourles is gone.. i see that dirtclod is also gone, can't be coincidence.
can someone pm me and fill in the blanks?
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gcc2k
Just came back to the site after a hiatus, and was disappointed to see that Jourles is gone.
I see that dirtclod is also gone, can't be coincidence. Can someone PM me and fill in the blanks? Thanks.
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No-Blood Card No Longer Issued/Dated Annually
by AMNESIAN indecember 2003 our kingdom ministry for the usa
"provisions to help us abstain from blood"
"baptized publishers who have previously completed an advance medical directive/release card or identity card with no print date or a 3/99 print date will not need to complete a new one this year.
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gcc2k
What does the card for children say and look like?
Should they find their way into my home, they will accidentally get lost...