Java,
We addressed the subject of Jehovah's Witnesses in my college sociology course and it was very revealing. How do I obtain a copy of Mr. Zellner's thesis?
144thousand_and_one
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1981 Ph.D Thesis on JWs
by JAVA ini just got my hands on william zellner's 1981 thesis, of another world, the jehovah's witnesses.
the 124-page work was in partial fulfillment of the requirements for a ph.d, through the sociology department at south dakota state university.
zellner's work looks at how the witnesses recruit new members and retains the converts the last part of his abstract says:it is argued that the social characteristics of a group are more important in the conversion process than in the group's message.. .
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JW CHILD ABUSE VICTIMS $$$$$$450,000
by crawdad2 inare you a jw or exjw who is being abused, or has been?................
you have until you are 20yrs old, to report it, and sue for damages......... some lawyers suggest around $$$$450,000.......four hundred and fifty thousand us dollars............ because of all the damage they did to you..................... if you have all the facts, .........the names and places...........and it's all legit.............i suggest way more for damages......... to help correct the problem.
there are some good lawyers on this site.
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144thousand_and_one
Hawkaw,
Great points, especially about the statutes of limitations. I believe the criminal statutes of limitations tend to be longer than the civil ones, but I think there's a better source than me for information on this right on this board. Kimberlee Norris is an attorney who specializes in this type of case, and she is posting here under the name "Concerned Lawyer." She has already posted a good amount of information on the subject and may be a very good resource for someone considering their options.
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How Do You Discipline YOUR Kids?
by MrMoe incurious... how do you discipline your children and why?
spank or not to spank?
are your kids brats (and be honest here.).
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Dutchie,
My approach is identical to yours and is also successful. It's challenging as you are constantly forced to adapt to changes that are a normal part of their growth. But the rewards of being a non-hitter are great, both in the love you receive from your child and also in the personal satisfaction of using your mind as opposed to physical punishment to resolve problems. But to each his own, parenthood is a difficult thing, and I won't judge others for the use of limited and minimal physical intervention.
Edited by - 144thousand_and_one on 20 June 2002 14:41:46
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JW CHILD ABUSE VICTIMS $$$$$$450,000
by crawdad2 inare you a jw or exjw who is being abused, or has been?................
you have until you are 20yrs old, to report it, and sue for damages......... some lawyers suggest around $$$$450,000.......four hundred and fifty thousand us dollars............ because of all the damage they did to you..................... if you have all the facts, .........the names and places...........and it's all legit.............i suggest way more for damages......... to help correct the problem.
there are some good lawyers on this site.
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144thousand_and_one
Crawdad,
No one is questioning the motivation of those who seek redress as it is irrelevant. However, your references to monetary compensation (i.e. $450K) are misleading. Victims should seek counsel from an appropriately qualified attorney, not someone who is absolutely incompetent as a legal advisor but uses large fonts.
Edited by - 144thousand_and_one on 20 June 2002 14:25:26
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JW CHILD ABUSE VICTIMS $$$$$$450,000
by crawdad2 inare you a jw or exjw who is being abused, or has been?................
you have until you are 20yrs old, to report it, and sue for damages......... some lawyers suggest around $$$$450,000.......four hundred and fifty thousand us dollars............ because of all the damage they did to you..................... if you have all the facts, .........the names and places...........and it's all legit.............i suggest way more for damages......... to help correct the problem.
there are some good lawyers on this site.
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144thousand_and_one
JW victims of child molestation:
The best source of information on your legal position is a lawyer with experience in this type of case. Although litigation may produce compensation and personal closure, there are negative aspects as well, including likely intense and sometimes humiliating questioning during depositions and the possibility of being required to testify in a trial. The settlement amounts bantered about here are not worthy of consideration as they are meaningless. Every case is unique, and settlements depend on many circumstances, including without limitation the motivation of the defendant to settle the case. Quantification of a standard settlement is impossible.
Remember, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Make sure you do your homework before jumping into something you don't know about.
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Your View On Capital Punishment
by Dutchie inwe all know the bible's view on capital punishment.
in fact, in the 1969 edition of aid to bible understanding, the author notes the following: .
"the value of life is considered so sacred by god that the blood of a murdered person is viewed by him as defiling the earth and such defilement can be cleansed only by shedding the blood of the murdered.
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plmkrzy,
I find it hilarious how you constantly change the issue so as to avoid facing the reality that you made an offensive statement that had absolutely no support. You insulted legal professionals and disparaged our legal system and the Constitution upon which it is based. You provided absolutely zero facts to support your comments. Now you want to try to argue small points since you've failed miserably to defend the outrageous comments that precipitated this dialogue.
Your tactics are very similar to those the Jehovah's Witnesses employ every time I discuss their faith with them. I guess they trained you well.
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Your View On Capital Punishment
by Dutchie inwe all know the bible's view on capital punishment.
in fact, in the 1969 edition of aid to bible understanding, the author notes the following: .
"the value of life is considered so sacred by god that the blood of a murdered person is viewed by him as defiling the earth and such defilement can be cleansed only by shedding the blood of the murdered.
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Plmkrzy,
I don't dislike you being here, so you need to get off the defense and deal with the issues, rather than your delusions about the thoughts of others.
To reiterate, you said: "As it stands the system is set up to protect the pockets of the Judges and the D.A's and the Lawyers and the Public Defenders and on and on and on. It is not set up to protect the citizens." There is absolutely no basis for this statement that disparages not only legal professionals, but also those who drafted our Constitution and its amendments. I believe in our Constitution and those who have given their lives to protect it. Your comments provoked the same feeling in me that I get when I watch folks burning our flag.
You have provided no basis whatsoever for the outrageous and offensive comments you made; rather, you simply provided the following conclusory statement: "I'm sorry but it is in fact not horseshit." Then you bragged about who you know. I guess you're right, your comments weren't horseshit, they are BULLSHIT. Your purported associations with legal professionals and law enforcement personnel do not provide any support whatsoever for your ludicrous comments and are absolutely irrelevant to this issue.
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Your View On Capital Punishment
by Dutchie inwe all know the bible's view on capital punishment.
in fact, in the 1969 edition of aid to bible understanding, the author notes the following: .
"the value of life is considered so sacred by god that the blood of a murdered person is viewed by him as defiling the earth and such defilement can be cleansed only by shedding the blood of the murdered.
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As it stands the system is set up to protect the pockets of the Judges and the D.A's and the Lawyers and the Public Defenders and on and on and on. It is not set up to protect the citizens. -- plmkrzy
With all due respect, plmkrzy, this is absolute horseshit. Our "system" is based on our U.S. Constitution, the document that is the backbone of our legal system and our way of life in this country. The Constitution protects you, and I, and all other people in this country. If you don't like our "system of things," then maybe you should join a cult that promises a "new system" or move to a country with laws more consistent with your personal ideals.
Why is it that you need to disparage judges, DAs, lawyers, and public defenders? From my perspective, this unjustified bashing of legal professionals reflects very poorly on you.
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Your View On Capital Punishment
by Dutchie inwe all know the bible's view on capital punishment.
in fact, in the 1969 edition of aid to bible understanding, the author notes the following: .
"the value of life is considered so sacred by god that the blood of a murdered person is viewed by him as defiling the earth and such defilement can be cleansed only by shedding the blood of the murdered.
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Stinky,
You are correct as to your assessment of the cost of executing folks in this country. It is far more expensive to execute prisoners than to imprison them for life. Cost is indeed a consideration that supports the use of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole as an alternative to the death penalty.
Personally, I think it is a shame that in the USA we hold ourselves out as the leaders in civil rights yet we lower ourselves on this issue to the standards of China, Iran, Libya, and other countries where civil rights are nonexistent or extremely limited. I hope that some day we will evolve into a less bloodthirsty society.
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Ex-JW Diane Wilson to speak in LA!!!!!
by LDH inhttp://www.cfiwest.org
http://www.secularhumanism.org
well i caught wind of this and wanted to make sure anyone in the greater la area has an opportunity to plan ahead for this event.
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Lisa,
Thanks - I'll most likely attend the LA event.