Have you ever been carrying a heavy load and as long as you kept moving it didn't all fall down? That is how I remember the secret life you speak of. My In-Laws have never met my family. In fact the JW side acts as if they don't even exist. All they wanted is access to the grandchildren. Time alone with them. (I wonder why.) I spent a year putting the breaks on the "secret" side of it. I stopped participating in it. I said that if all arn't invited then we don't come, meaning defed inlaws worldly hell even the homeless were invited. The JW's never showed if everyone came. They are cowards that way. Slowly the ties were broken. Fear of angering the JW's is very strong and very real. But once it's done it's no big deal. Really the power of the society is only in the mind. They can tell others to turn their backs on you. If they do then they were never your friend in the first place. If your spouce would leave you on a dime if the WT said to then they are not your spouce. And, you should strike first before it is to late. If your spouce would not do that then you need to make your feelings clear and stop playing the game. Players are all that the WT has. The fewer there are the less the power of the cult.
Jayson
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Alone in a house full of people
by LovesDubs infor those of you still married to a jw...have you ever felt like you were living alone even tho there is a person on the other side of the bed?
i sure do...he has this whole "secret life" and all his jw friends and jw relatives and wont have anything to do with my friends or my relatives, even tho most of them never were jws....so we dont do anything together as a couple.
i mean zip.
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first timer...feelin like crap
by Boolean inhey everyone....this this my first time on one of these forums... been out for short while, but i miss my family and the friends i grew up with.. feeling a little shitty.
how did u cope with suddenly being cut off from the people that you love and depend on?.
by the way, if your wondering about my nik, look it up, thats how my mind is right now.
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Hey B-
I'm sorry you hurt. When my wife went through this it tore at my heart. I will never understand hurting someone you love in the name of that love. It's pathological if you asked me. And that is part of my understanding now, they are sick. (her jw family.)
There are many people here to help you if you need them. If you ask for support you will get it. Books are a source that are invaluable as are professional people like Docs and Shrinks. They can make your pain much lighter and easier to carry. You deserve to be loved unconditionaly. If friends or even family can not or will not do that then they are neither.
No doubt you will see petty bickering here from time to time. (it's irrelevent) However, I believe that there are few who would not drop whatever is going on to help you if they can. There is a deep bond that many if not all people here have. We have suffered scares from the Watchtower Society and survived.
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Walking With Cavemen
by Blueblades incavemen evolve into homosapiens over a span of 3,500,000 years.. how is it that this statement is stated as fact?
if it is proven as fact,then is the genesis account of creation false?.
in order to believe it must one believe in evolution?.
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(((HA)))
Balistic after watching W W cavemen my wife and I turned to each other and said O. K.
I thought it a strange show. In fact, I said that it is something I'd see on a BBC program. Thanks for the update.
Evolution is no threat to the Bible IMO. God changes to meet our understanding of it.
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Hey Minimus,
Happy Fathers Day!
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Are you a vengeful person?
by Jayson init has been said that "vengence is the bastard child of justice.".
are you a vengful person?
when someone hurts you, sometimes, do you hurt them back?
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It has been said that "vengence is the bastard child of justice."
Are you a vengful person? When someone hurts you, sometimes, do you hurt them back? Even avoiding someone is a kind of revenge. Sometimes perhaps the best revenge no?
One saying that often confuses people is "all you have to do to kill your enemy is nothing."
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Martha Stewart Indicted ! What do you think of her now ?
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it seems martha's stock value has gone down, as well as her status in the eyes of her fans.. any opinions ?.
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I'm waiting for the our fellow Americans crying out for the erosion of civil rights to cry out for her. I mean she is not being charged with the origonal crimes she was accused of. She is being charged with obstruction of justice regarding the crimes she was not charged with due to lack of evidence. She had the nerve to say that she was not guilty of what the government said she was. Oh ya, and her broker used two different pens. ON THE SAME DAY MIND YOU!
Such shady evidence to bring someone up on charges. Amazing...Enron, WorldCom, Quest, they [CEO's] all fleeced billions from the average person with the help of Wall Street and nothing has been really been done to change it. But Martha is crucified? Well, I feel safer about investing my money now. My faith in the system is restored.
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WoMD ... so where are they?
by Simon innow, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!
perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.
now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.
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Over this stupid irrelevent topic [bush] I have no doubt lost a lot of friends. People who I once held in nothing but complete respect. Do I still have respect for them? Yes, my contempt is with the media not anyone here. I have asked, pleaded, yelled, and swore at people to look at more than media information. I really feel that political ideology is so strong that is impossible. I read claims about how it was the US who made the Iraqi army so powerful. That is hardly true. I have read where total military sales to Iraq equaled 250 million dollars where as France, Germany, China, and Russian sales where as high as 5 billion each. Yes Iraq had some backing via loans from the US during the Iran/Iraq war. Saddam paid back every penny plus interest. How many of you knew that Rummie brokered those deals in the 80's? And, Ollie the now news corespondant remember he has center in the Iran contra affair? No doubt that he aided the US in selling Arms via Israel to Iran during the same conflict. That is one reason for Saddams hate for the West. He thought that we were screwing him and we were. Kuwait [the invasion] was to try to revieve his economy. To win the Gulf war all he had to do was survive in power and he did. He was a beaken to the Arab world that you can stand up to the US and live. Containment was falling apart. Europe was board with it and quite frankly Iraqi contracts were to valuable to risk a war. Thus UN blockage today. The Iraqi death and no fly zones the endless occupation in neighboring countries I doubt anyone thought the US serious about removing Saddam. WMD an issue yes it was before the war. And, they still are an issue. As I said, what upsets me is not the stupid retoric that "bush lied." That is ignorance at it's best. It is that US intel was so poor that we don't know where they are. I pray we did not loose them. The nuclear looting has not been to hard to track. (Follow the bodies.) Europe is placid now I understand that. Peace is good. Russia wants to just worry about the economy and Germany is a pasifist and can be. The US did a good job. (Maybe to good) I mean in the UK remember don't shout "help" if you are being robed on the street. Shout "call the police" because no one should help you. That would be exessive force and land you in jail most likely. Nobody should be upset over Europes stance on all of this. There you do not do things on your own. Society does it. ("Call the police") Thus the US is not following what is societies will, which is the UN and the media. All this is at the heart of the media issue with me. It is the ultimate formation of attitude in Europe. That what the oracle[tv] says is what the truth is. And the media is dominated by the left. Totally dominated.
I can't agree more with the people who say that the US is not the world's policeman. We have not the will to rule the world via empire, much less the ability. But, we should lead. Every dictator in the world is not could not be removed via force. But Saddam could easily and was without that much cost when you compare what is at stake. I like the overhauls to the UN and NATO that are taking place. They are long overdue. I like it when dictators are eraticated. Some people say that now the world is more unstable. However, I fail to see how it was stable before. Bush lied about the Saddam ties to WMD? Hardly, history shows the pattern of this man [Saddam]. History shows that this is a man who has every intention of going back to war with the world. To him it never ended. (Just like others of history.)
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WoMD ... so where are they?
by Simon innow, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!
perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.
now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.
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Short conflict, less ammo kept war cost down By Laurence McQuillan, USA TODAY WASHINGTON — A short conflict that used fewer missiles, sparked fewer oil field fires and created fewer refugees than anticipated produced a lower-than-expected financial cost for the major combat in Iraq.
Officials say the war lasted 26 days, from the launching of the first missiles March 19 until mid-April. By Roberto Schmidt, AFP That means President Bush won't have to go back to Congress for additional funding this year, a step that could have revived the debate over the war.
A detailed account of expenses won't be complete for months, but senior administration officials say the cost of deployment and combat will be just less than the $62.6 billion Congress approved in March as emergency funding for Operation Iraqi Freedom. It is the first time officials have offered a tally.
The price for the combat phase is about $220 per American. The Persian Gulf War in 1991 cost $76 billion in today's dollars. Though other countries financed 80% of that war, the United States is bearing most of the cost of this conflict.
"The business plan for the war was roughly as successful as the military plan," Mitch Daniels said in an interview last week before he left the administration after two years as budget director. "The projections look pretty darn good."
Those projections offer a window into the administration's prewar expectations. What kept war costs down:
- The administration budgeted for the military buildup and 30 days of heavy fighting and bombing, followed by several months of skirmishes. Officials say the war lasted 26 days, from the launching of the first missiles March 19 until mid-April, when Iraqi political and religious leaders met with U.S. officials on forming an interim government.
- Fewer expensive high-tech weapons were fired. For example, as many as 200 anti-missile Patriots were expected to be fired, but less than 25 were used. Each Patriot costs $2.3 million.
- Planners had earmarked $489 million to put out as many as 500 oil well fires that Iraqis might ignite. Fewer than 10 wells were set ablaze, which cost about $5 million to extinguish the fires and repair damage.
- Planners budgeted $593 million to care for as many as 2 million refugees, a problem avoided when urban combat was less extensive than expected. The refugee count was less than 100,000. In addition, $200 million was earmarked for emergency food supplies for Iraqis, but no major shortages occurred.
- Troops are staying longer. The plan called for shipping more than 400,000 troops and equipment to the region and returning most of them within six months, at a round-trip cost of $30 billion. Now, at least 160,000 troops are staying in Iraq indefinitely, which means the cost of bringing them home can be deferred.
Daniels and other officials have refused to estimate the costs of the postwar violence, peacekeeping and reconstruction in Iraq, and that has prompted complaints from Capitol Hill.
"This stretches the tolerance and good humor of members," said Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Richard Lugar, R-Ind.
The Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, an independent policy research institute, said the five-year cost for U.S. peacekeeping could exceed $100 billion. Estimates for rebuilding Iraq run as high as $30 billion a year for the next decade.
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What was the "final straw" that made you leave the JW's ??????
by run dont walk inwhat happened or was said, that made you decide, enough is enough, i am out of here ?????
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For those who don't know me I have never been a JW. I married onto the cult. I was unprepared and unenlightened at to what the borg is.
The final and last straw for me was when my father in law said that the goal (his goal!) was to hurt his daughter and her family. That's the reason for having a relationship with us. That way she knows that it will stop if she just comes back. (she is deft) All ties were broken at that point with all JW's.
"By the fruits they bare you will know them."
To many stories like this make it an isolated case.
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Do You Try To Get Along With Other Members Of This Board?
by minimus insadly, at times, we lose good posters because we have an acrimonious spirit.
i wonder whether we might actually debate or argue, simply for the thrill of trying to outdo the other person(s).
in the spirit of rodney, "can't we just get along?
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Hey right back at ya Az. I'm sure that we could have dinner anytime without either of us getting a fork in the forehead. I'd treat.
