Aroq

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  Understanding the differences between doing a good job and doing a perfect job

  by Terry in

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  for anything to be perfect, there has to be a standard in place regarding its function.. i love to use the analogy of a dinner fork.. if your standard for eating is the conveying of food from plate to mouth, a fork is a. perfect.

  utensil for eating peas, fries, etc.. .

  however--it is not worth much for eating soup!

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  This is something I have talked abotu with my Wife. How could Adam be perfect if he failed?

  Impossible
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  Strong, odd and weird opinions on my brothers anniversary

  by usualusername in

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  today my brother a non witness gave me a phone call.. .

  he spoke about this, that and the other.

  he then said that my oldest brother (an elder) was having his 25th wedding anniversary.

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  oops, I meant....

  The real question is, do you love your brother?

  I'm sure you do, we do not always like our family, but love them none the less. This is where it gets hard, Are you happy for him? What does it matter how HE has to jump through the hoops? You don't. But you can show him you care. If you go or not matters nothing. Acknowledging his milestone in his life may go unnoticed, but really it matters what you want to show him. If you want to show him that you'd rather eb 1st invited, then sure go that route. If you'd rather just show him you love him no matter how he treats you, then either send what you want to/a card/gift or go and bring your token of love and peace. Listen, I am giving advice that I myself would find hard to swallow, but it is what we as family should do out of love for our family. If it matters not, then don't sweat it.......but you wouldn't be asking if it didn't bother you.

  Good day sir.
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  My conversation with my mother in law.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

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  my wife and i recently took the decision to fade out progressively and we are now in the stage where we no longer assist to our meetings.

  in this process, we have told the truth to our respective parents but have not forced ourselves upon them; meaning that: we will talk about it when you want to.

  as a result, my mother in-law already had some conversations with my wife on why we no longer went, but never brought up the subject with me, at least, up until yesterday.. she was telling us that a good deal of people miss us at the meeting and i answered that i missed them also.

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  ecan6,

  I can accept what you are saying and commend you for thinking it through and having a plan. My only insert was that you do not owe loyalty to anyone but God and your family. I can see that it troubles you that you cannot get out from under this as quickly as you would like, and for that I am both sorry and grateful that you see it and want it. God will see you through.
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  My conversation with my mother in law.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
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  my wife and i recently took the decision to fade out progressively and we are now in the stage where we no longer assist to our meetings.

  in this process, we have told the truth to our respective parents but have not forced ourselves upon them; meaning that: we will talk about it when you want to.

  as a result, my mother in-law already had some conversations with my wife on why we no longer went, but never brought up the subject with me, at least, up until yesterday.. she was telling us that a good deal of people miss us at the meeting and i answered that i missed them also.

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  ecan6,

  You do not have any accoutability to anyone but God. Not the org, not those who are in and not to a man made society. You ARE free, you just need to remind yourself of that.

  The only control they have over you is what you give them.
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  New Article on JW.org about gay people

  by ateograciasadios in

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  ok, sometimes i go to jw.org just to laugh a bit about the 'food at the proper time', and i would like to know what people think of this hillarious article 'am i attracted to the same sex.

  does that mean i am gay?'.

  this has to be one of the most remarkable pieces of logic (last paragraph of the article).. the bibles stand is not unreasonable.

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  yalbmert99, good question!!! Can they marry themselves?
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  New Light - Good for goose... gander SOL

  by Zoos in

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  when jws accept new light they must, by default, accept that what they were teaching was false.

  they allow themselves the luxury of error so long as it is in the pursuit of better understanding.. .

  you would think this scenario demands that allowance be made for other religions with false teachings, but alas, no.

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  jam, was that really new light or was Jesus telling them to focus on the point and not make many many many rules to try and harness it?
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  Is Jesus Christ Your Mediator? Watchtower's Position is Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit!

  by RottenRiley in

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  2. p. 363; emphasis added) .

  (ibid., p. 362; emphasis added) .. to say jesus is mediator only for the 144,000 is actually to deny the possibility of forgiveness of sins for any others.

  ; emphasis added) .

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  designs,

  The appeal is that you need to do nothing more than believe Jesus died for your sins and was raised. It is a free gift.

  Free, no cost to you. So why wouldn't you? No need to turn in hours, no need to knock on doors, no need to shun. Free to be in freedom. The "works" are what you do out of faith in Jesus, not by requirement.
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  Hell or no hell

  by never a jw in

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  about a year ago i had an exchange of emails with an elder of a congregation where all my jw relatives attend.

  i asked him all kinds of questions regarding blood, 607, shunning, evolution, higher education.

  as anticipated, he either had no answer or provided an evasive one.

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  This matter comes into play if you believe in the Bible and what it says. I do. If you do as well, then do you agree that Jesus was perfect and never lied? I do. The parable mentioned above was from His own mouth. Jesus said this place existed. Now is it all fire and brimstone? Maybe, maybe not. The thing is though, there is a place that is seperate from God, and if you believe in God and the Bible, then "hell" is not somewhere you want to be.

  For those who believe that the soul does not survive after death, and your thoughts are placed into a spirit body, please state why you believe this. 1 Samuel 28:8-19 is a great set of scriptures to discuss this.
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  Ananias, and Sapphira

  by Quarterback in

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  i always found this bible acct to be puzzling.

  it's found in the book of acts.

  it starts by mentioning that in jerusalem a need arosed to care for some christians who lived together as a community.

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  Peter was not the one who was responsible for the death of Annias and Sapphira.

  Quarterback, I see where you are comming from and it is difficult. I mean look at Lots wife, all she did was look back and poof same thing. Are these instances written to show the power of God? How we should have a healthy fear of God?
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  Ananias, and Sapphira

  by Quarterback in

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  i always found this bible acct to be puzzling.

  it's found in the book of acts.

  it starts by mentioning that in jerusalem a need arosed to care for some christians who lived together as a community.

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  Yes we all lie from time to time. I understand the other views here on this story, but I believe the Bible. I believe that it is God's word to us. So my reasoning on this story is this:

  These people were living for God and Annias and Sapphira were supposedly part of this but in their heart they were not. The idea was to share with God's people for the development of a church. Greed took them over and they wanted to be more than just a regular person within this "church". They were self pleasing. While we all have this in us at times, how many of us have actually done this in the face of God? Now I am different than most of you, I have never been a JW and never believed their lies. So some of you may think that you have lied to God's org or something of that nature, but what have you kept from God? The org is not God's org!

  That is what I get from this story, we do lie to each other, we do hide things from each other, but Annias and Sapphira were lying to God in their hearts, not to Peter or the others. The people would never know (well maybe but probably not) but the group did this for God and Annias and Sapphria knew that it was for God.

  Take it or leave it, but that is how I see it.