Hi whathappened,
Any one that is not blinded, can see the clear contradictions, when comparing the Bible to the Watchtower.
objectivetruth
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The Bible Says the wt says.. Who should we trust?
by objectivetruth inthe bible says -.
john 14:6 - 6 jesus said to him: i am the way and the truth and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.. jeremiah 9:4,5 "everyone, be on guard against your neighbor, and do not trust even your brother.
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When do Auxilliary CO's go out in field service?
by Quarterback ini moved into this new cong for over two years now.
we have this younger couple that are part time co's.
i know that they would be busy serving a cong when they are asked to do so, but that is not too often.
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objectivetruth
Counting time is Unscriptural.
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The Bible Says the wt says.. Who should we trust?
by objectivetruth inthe bible says -.
john 14:6 - 6 jesus said to him: i am the way and the truth and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.. jeremiah 9:4,5 "everyone, be on guard against your neighbor, and do not trust even your brother.
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The Bible Says -
John 14:6 - 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jeremiah 9:4,5 "Everyone, be on guard against your neighbor, And do not trust even your brother. For every brother is a betrayer, And every neighbor is a slanderer. 5 Each one cheats his neighbor, And no one speaks truth. They have taught their tongue to speak falsehood. They wear themselves out doing what is wrong.
1 Corinthians 13:12 12 For now we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face-to-face. At present I know partially, but then I will know accurately, just as I am accurately known.
The WT Says -
The Watchtower, May 15, 2014. “15 If we are to have Jehovah’s favor and blessing as individuals, we must support his organization and accept adjustments in our understanding of the Scriptures.
“We too need to study diligently and be open-minded when there are adjustments in the understanding of God’s Word or in our preaching work.”
The Bible Says -
Galatians 1:8 However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed.
1 John 4:1 - Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
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JWs no longer taking the Governing Body seriously.
by kneehighmiah inthe recent letter being us to come to detroit shows that jws are beginning not to take the gb seriously anymore.
the buzz following the meeting was that the letter was unprecedented in its tone.
this coming from long time jws of 30 years plus.
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objectivetruth
I'm sure that this has been covered, but this might help someone understand the Significance of this Change.
As many are aware, the Organized Book served as The Instruction manual to Most WTBS topics for a while.
Here is a Link to the PDF of OF Book if you can use it :Organized Book PDF
Who Really is the Faithful & Discreet Slave?Quote: Why Trust the Faithful & Discreet Slave?
From - Organized to Do Jehovah's Will
So "the faithful steward, the discreet one," must symbolize the composite body of Christ's spirit-anointed footstep followers who live on earth at any given time.
Christ uses this body to publish information on the fulfillment of Bible prophecies and to give timely direction on the application of Bible principles in daily life.
What, then, are the "belongings"? These are all the spiritual assets on earth that have become Christ's property in connection with his authority as heavenly King.Included are facilities at the headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses, along with branch offices, Kingdom Halls, and Assembly Halls worldwide.
" A great crowd . . . out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues," who will survive the great tribulation. - They are among the precious "belongings" of Christ and are greatly loved by the slave class for their loyal, zealous support.
The Governing Body also continues to carry the responsibility of overseeing the preaching work, producing Bible study material, and arranging for the appointment of overseers to serve in various capacities in the organization. These are some of the Kingdom interests of Christ that are being cared for today.
There are many reasons to have complete trust in the slave class.
First and foremost , Jesus has appointed them over all his precious "belongings." This is a clear indication that he has complete trust in them.
God's Word admonishes Christians to cooperate fully with those taking the lead. Why is this to our advantage? As recorded at Hebrews 13:17, the apostle Paul stated: "Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you." For our spiritual protection and well-being, it is incumbent (Necessary as a Duty or Responsibility) upon us to be obedient and submissive to direction from overseers as they 'keep watch over our souls.'
New Understanding Watchtower July 15 2013 - Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?
V-17 We understood that the “arriving” mentioned in verse 46 was linked to the time when Jesus came to inspect the spiritual condition of the anointed in 1918 and that the appointment of the slave over all the Master’s belongings occurred in 1919.
However, a further consideration of Jesus’ prophecy indicates that an adjustment in our understanding of the timing of certain aspects of Jesus’ prophecy is needed. Why so?
V-18 "So it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings, mentioned at Matthew 24:46, 47, also applies to his future coming, during the great tribulation.Indeed, a consideration of Jesus’ prophecy in its entirety makes it clear that each of these eight references to his coming applies to the future time of judgment during the great tribulation."
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To quickly Summarize : The Primary reason given for us to Trust the Faithful & Discreet Slave,is that Jesus Trusted them and appointed them over all of his Belongings Including the Great Crowd, in 1919.
The NEW Understanding tells us that the Faithful & Discreet Slave IS NOT appointed over all of his Belongings until the Great Tribulation.
According to the Organized Book - "The First and Foremost Reason to Trust " THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE " is Jesus has appointed them over all his precious "belongings." This is a clear indication that he has complete trust in them." -
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When do Auxilliary CO's go out in field service?
by Quarterback ini moved into this new cong for over two years now.
we have this younger couple that are part time co's.
i know that they would be busy serving a cong when they are asked to do so, but that is not too often.
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The WT Claims that God's first "organization" on earth was Noah and his Family.
The WT Claims that Noah and his family were preaching, and warning everyone that the flood was coming.
The WT compares the Preaching that Noah and his family did, to the preaching work that JW's earth wide now do. (Life Saving Work)
The Bible says that Noah was a Preacher of Righteosness 2 Peter 2:5
Jesus said “Take care not to practice your righteousness in front of men to be noticed by them; otherwise you will have no reward with your Father who is in the heavens." - Matthew 6:1
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Confused?
by nomorepain13 ini have been going to meetings since i was a child, long story short only recently i've started taking the truth seriously, i am not baptized but just an unbaptized publisher.
truth is i am so lonely in the congregation.
the other young people in the cong don't like me because they dont think i am going to "stay" for long, i've even worked on the ministry with an older brother and asked her am i giving the wrong impression to people?
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objectivetruth
Nomorepain - It's great to read your first post. You will find friends here, that are your friends unconditionally.
I'd like to help you in any way that I can. Please feel free to PM me with any Scriptural Questions that you are struggling with. The bible is sufficient to learn about Jehovah, and "interpretations" such as the Watchtower & Awake are not necessary, they even act as a Hinderance to understanding the Bible.
It helps to playfully consider this scripture. 1 Peter 2:2 - "As newborn infants, form a longing for the unadulterated milk of the word, so that by means of it you may grow to salvation."
You are experiencing one of the most unfortunate aspects of the Watchtower Society Organization.. They claim to be the most loving group of people on earth, when in reality they are one of the most Judgemental and hateful groups. You can see what I mean at Matthew 23:27 - "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness."
You cannot claim to be a loving Person or Group of people if your love is conditional. Matthew 5:43-48
You said - " I don't want to drift because serving Jehovah is still in me but there is no way that I am going to miraculously make new friends. " It's apparent that your heart is in the right place, and you Love Jehovah. I thought the way that you do for a long time as we'll.. However, I then realized that my relationship with Jehovah has NOTHING to do with my standing in the watchtower organization.
Use your Zeal and your youth, to gain a relationship with Jehovah, and learn how to be lead by Holy Spirit. Don't be concerned with how "Man" views you.
As for the "Worldly" girl that you have meet.. The watchtowers interpretation of "Worldly" does not exist in the Bible. You are either, In The Lord, or not. When making the decision whether you should pursue a relationship with this girl, consider the WORDS at 1 Corinthians 7:39 "A wife is bound as long as her husband is alive. But if her husband should fall asleep in death, she is free to be married to whomever she wants, only in the Lord." Is she a Christian, does she have good morals?
You have a really great life ahead of you. Jehovah is opening up your heart now, and it's important that you follow the right path John 14:6 ,
Please PM me, or send me a reply here if I can guide you to the Bible, and show you all the reasons from the scriptures, that being a member of an organization is not required by Jehovah, to be loved by him and his son.
Be careful on this site.. .there are many well meaning people, but there are some that have been hurt by the Organization,or they have been mislead by Satan and they have left Jehovah as we'll as the Organization.
With Christian Love
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Wheat/weeds parable defeats "organization' teaching
by Zoos inin his illustration at mathew 13: 24-30, jesus made it clear that the wheat and weeds were to grow together until the harvest.
this parable runs contrary to the concept put forward by the wt about getting out of the world and running to their organization for salvation.. first of all, the parable says that the weeds will be gathered, bundled and burned first then the wheat will be gathered into the storehouse.. wt teaches that we need to gather up the wheat first.
not only are they doing it backward, they are teaching that true christians must isolate themselves inside a special wheat organization, separate from the weeds.
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Designs - It is not a literal "Burning" of the weeds.
Jesus does not view humans as throw aways,It is humans that view each other as throw aways.
You are correct, this is the issue with Religion and Christianity, men placing their beliefs and doctrines on the interpretation of the Bible.
Matthew 13:30 - Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned (katakausai), but gather the wheat into my barn.
1 Corinthians 3:15 - If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire ( κατακαήσεται (katakaēsetai)
They are burned with fire that tests and refines. At the end of the Millenium all men will be judged based on their individual deeds during the Millenium.
1 Peter 1:7,Zecheriah 13:9,Isaiah 48:10
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I need some urgent advice, please!!
by alonein321 inhere's my story.
i'm 24 years old and i live in brazil.
i'm a 3rd gen born-in jw and all close relatives in the borg (parents, grandparents, uncles, wife, inlaws) except my little sister (she's 16 and didnt buy jw doctrine).
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My wife is Brazilian and has a large family in Brazil.. I completely understand the difficulties that a tight family can pose.
What I can recommend is, don't try and prove the society wrong, rather prove the Bible right.. Many people get caught up in fleshly thinking, and they judge the organization for its actions..
Show her how the witnesses rejoice that all "worldly" people will die at Armageddon, and ask her if this is Love. Show her that even the sodomites will be resurrected.
This is one apology that can make some think..
The Israelites were Gods chosen "organization".. If you were an Israelite, you would have NO DOUBT that Jehovah had chosen the nation as his people, he gave many signs and miracles to prove it. Now if you were an Israelite, and you saw one of your "governing body" members assisting in the building of a calf for false worship, would you be excused at judgement day if you followed the lead? Exodus 32
tie-in Galatians 1:8'- But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
It can be a VERY TOUGH journey if she is one that doesn't know the bible and she doesn't know the org.. You can overcome it though.
Try your hardest to keep your marriage in tact.
My wife and I would like to help you, and we can assist you in Portuguese. PM me if we can help.
With Christian Love
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JWs and catastrophic events
by ilikecheese ina natural disaster, a mass shooting, a building collapse, etc.
i sometimes peruse jw facebook groups or look at the public topics on jwtalk.
it seems like every single time something like that happens, at least 75% of the responses contain something along the lines of "i hope all the witnesses are okay!
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Youre absolutely right.. and it is Sick. As a JW this always bothered me. There would be a massive catastrophe somewhere, where tens of thousands died, and yet the announcment at the Hall is "Only 2 of our brothers were Injured" everyone would be so relieved. Almost as if the life of one Witness is more Valuable than 10,000 non witnesses.
This thinking runs deep though.. many witnesses would never acnowledge their utter disregard for their Neighbors, and they could always Justify things by thinking, "Well that's why we go house to house.. so we can save lives".
If all of the teachings and practices were accurate.. this alone would disqualify the Organization from being the "True Religion".
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More advise needed, please.
by Crazyguy inok just an update but i was able to rescind my da letter and the elders after meeting with me, took my excuse and encouraged me to rejoin the congregation.
i would love to share with you the theocratic warfare strategy i used to explain away my da letter but that may identify me to easily.
but any way they could of really put me over the coals on one area of the letter which was changed a bit from the one i posted her so that makes me think these guys really want me back then gone.
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Hey Brother,
2 Corinthians 11: But if others act boldly—I am talking unreasonably—I too act boldly. 22 Are they Hebrews? I am one also. Are they Israelites? I am one also. Are they Abraham’s offspring? I am also. 23 Are they ministers of Christ? I reply like a madman, I am more outstandingly one: I have done more work, been imprisoned more often, suffered countless beatings, and experienced many near-deaths. 24 Five times I received 40 strokes less one from the Jews, 25 three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I experienced shipwreck, a night and a day I have spent in the open sea; 26 in journeys often, in dangers from rivers, in dangers from robbers, in dangers from my own people, in dangers from the nations, in dangers in the city, in dangers in the wilderness, in dangers at sea, in dangers among false brothers,27 in labor and toil, in sleepless nights often, in hunger and thirst, frequently without food, in cold and lacking clothing. 28 Besides those things of an external kind, there is what rushes in on me from day to day: the anxiety for all the congregations. 29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is stumbled, and I am not incensed? 30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, the One who is to be praised forever, knows I am not lying.
2 Corinthians 6:7.. - 7 by truthful speech, by God’s power; through the weapons of righteousness in the right hand and in the left, 8 through glory and dishonor, through bad report and good report. We are regarded as deceivers and yet we are truthful.
Matthew 5:11 - “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
I'll read some of your past posts, to get a better idea of your situation. The above scriptures have really helped me make tough decisions like yours.