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  New to the forum

  by Gone and forgotten in

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  first i want to say that i really appreciate this forum.

  most other places i've seen are nothing but filled with spite and hate.

  this site is reasonable and supportive...thank you for that!.

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  bemused

  Wow, that's one eventful life you've had to date.  I'm pleased that you have found happiness and I hope that you continue to enjoy this site.
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  Is Watchtower's stance against education only for North American witnesses

  by wannaexit in

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  i was reading on a european ex jw forum where some feel that watchtower's railing against higher education is primarily for north america issue.

  this is due that many in usa and canada leave home to leave on campus.

  it was mentioned that many young european jw attend universities and its not frowned on.. i found this odd because i heard what morris and losch said about education in italy.

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  bemused

  From my (admittedly limited) exposure to this topic, I was under the impression that UK JWs are very much against any further education that involves living away from the family home.
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  How would you respond?!?!?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an eldub recently said, " sure, we have changed many beliefs in the last 100 years, but christendom has had 2,000 years to clean up their act an they haven't done it.".

  this was prompted by today's wt session which mentioned nathan knorr's eager acceptance of rutherford's refinements concerning the 1,260 days.

  of course, he also said that he can't really keep up with everything.

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  bemused

  I would probably respond by pointing out that JWs are part of Christendom, or is he claiming that JWs are not Christians?
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  This weeks service meeting! More craziness.....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so this weeks service meeting is so full of "crazy".

  a whole 15 min part devoted to trying to indoctrinate everyone on how to "explain our beliefs on 1914".

  then another 15 min part called "a tool to help us explain our beliefs about 1914".

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  bemused

  The more I learn about this religion (I was never in) the weirder it gets.  So, if I've understood this right, the whole 1914 thing depends on an interpretation of a dream which it is claimed that someone who died millennia ago had?  This is beyond crazy.  If my relatives swallow this stuff then I just despair.
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  Will the GB use the on going conflict with Muslim extremists as a sign of the end being near?

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i haven't read over much of the recent articles in the last decade from the wt.

  i wonder if they will mention muslim extremists and use that fear as a control mechanism on their members.

  i have a feeling they will resist mentioning islam specifically.

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  bemused

  Logically they should - much bigger threat to their religion than Russia, UN etc.  However I agree, there's no way they'd dare do it.
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  Russian authorities nab Jehovah’s Witnesses for dumping waste

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if anyone knew about this:.

  http://rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20141107/272536636.html.

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  bemused

  They do that every time they push a magazine through the letter box.
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  Why can't I just leave?

  by Trapped in JW land in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some of you may know my situation.

  i'm still going to meetings, but i am a closet apostate and homosexual i. only keep going to meetings to please my family and some friends.

  i guess i could tell my mom i no longer want to be a jehovah's witness and stop going to meetings, but i'm too scared to do it.

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  bemused

  Whether you say something now or later is your call. The only advice I would give is to definitely go for the living on campus option. You will be much freer and able to live as you wish.
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  What should the WBT$ do to get on track?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it looks as if the gb are blundering around and really showing themselves up for the buffoons they are.

  all the stupidity about tight trousers is laughable and if the general public were to see these selfmportant cult leaders blabbing this stuff then the last shred of their credibility would be destroyed.........perhaps.. the wbt$ seem to have dug themselves into a deep pit of no escape with their lies, new light(tm), paedophile protection and all the other nauseating peripherals they have.. we also suspect that the wbt$ have their spies here because they are either predictable or get ideas form forums like this.. so!

  are you listening watchtower(r)?

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  bemused

  I'm with Spectre on this one. If there are any WT representatives reading this, you really need to get the GB out and about as much as possible, to show the human face of the organization and the sincerity of its leaders. Don't make it too scripted though, that would make them seem stilted and wouldn't display the warmth of the indiividuals. However you need to give the GB a guide, so here are a few topics that they can ad-lib on:

  The worst subjects to do well in at school

  How to spot a homosexual

  Appropriate clothing for walking the dog

  Acceptable sexual positions (in marriage only, naturally)

  Which dancing makes Jehovah saddest - Latin American or Ballroom?

  Hope this helps.
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  That is what New Light is all about

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  sometimes small children can see through stupid.. .

  len miller.

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  At a wedding a friend of one of my in-relatives was doing his best to convert me so I challenged him about changes in the generation teaching, which led him to talk about 'new light'. I said 'so everything you now say is true could be replaced by new light in the future?'. He just stood there staring like a rabbit in the headlights, so I headed to the bar.
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  JWs - A View From Outside

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i never was a jw (i make this point in - almost - every post) but having been brought up ('raised' for our us cousins) in a non-conformist fundy sect with 'rapture' aspirations, it wasn't that different.. i still have extended family members in it, or in that mindset, but we rarely discuss religion.

  in particular, my sister and bil lost their son (my nephew) some years ago when he was just 13. their comfort is that he is in a 'better place' and i don't want to challenge that to them.. i keep up with all things jw here in this forum and maintain my academic interest and these are just my thoughts as an outsider, for what they are worth.. ime, those people who have heard of jws tend to lump them in with mormons and other crazies and have no knowledge or interest in them - other than to warn neighbours when they are about.. where i live should be prime 'witnessing' territory but they rarely come round, even in the recent leafletting campaign.

  they are not as effective as the people who regularly call with the latest menus from the local curry/chinese/kebab houses.. on the occasions when jws have called, despite invitations to come in and have a cup of tea, etc., none has ever wanted to engage in conversation, far less progress to an invitation to a kh meeting or start a bible study (and i always present myself as an 'imterested householder').. my conversations with people in general and friends in the real world lead me to conclude that few people have heard of jws, those that have regard them as a minor irrevelant nuisance and that there is no interest in their message or beliefs.. a few months ago i did a 'drive-past' of the million pound seafront property in bangor, north wales that wt recently bought for use as a 'translation office' (ha ha!).

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  bemused

  Couldn't agree more with Joe. I'm also a never-in (a close relative converted some years back so I use this site to keep up with JW developments in the hope that I can one day persuade them of the errror of their ways).

  The vast majority of people have no knowledge of Witnesses beyond the fact that they knock on your door about once every three years. They don't know their beliefs, history or governance and have zero interest in finding out. If they stop going door to door then their profile will drop even lower. Any idea that people might choose to look at jw.org of their own accord is ridiculous in the extreme.

  While it's good to see some mainstream media having a laugh at AM3's tight trouser issues, it's ultimately an irrelevance what the external world says. This at most confirms their view that the JWs are part of a minor crackpot sect that they can safely ignore. (Pantsgate is far more valuable internally as it has the potential to sow seeds of doubt in Witnesses's minds about the quality of their supposedly divinely inspired leadership.)

  I can never really get my mind around why Witnesses are so convinced that their beliefs are right - if it's all so compelling then why does almost everyone ignore the message? Still, that's cults for you I guess.