when a brother takes the office of eldership, does he have to give an oath of allegiance to the organisation, ...........if so what is it.
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No oath, but like Mobsters, they are tested to see on which side of the line their loyalty is beforehand. If they can be deemed trustworthy in that inner circle of power they will be appointed. A body of real rotten SOB's will try to keep that atmosphere and a more liberal group will try to keep the rotten ones out. Nothing magical, more political than anything.
By the way, they aren't our "brothers"
Frank75
Had one very fine Macanudo Robust yesterday on the drive home from work.
It was exquisite to say the least. The smoke was incredible and the cigar burned absolutely perfectly. And nice and slow too, as I have an 1 hour or so to drive. The ash was grey white and if I didn't have to tap it out the window it would have probably burned right to the ring!
Nice flavor in the coffee range with an aroma similar to what you smell with hand crafting wood furniture. Spice and Oak with a hint of cedar.
I will be definitely smoking it again! But at home with a nice Single Malt!
This one was packed in a 3 pack sampler. The others were good too, but this one stood out.
Enjoy!
Frank75
BTS-I miss NVRGNBK.
What has happened to the pagan anyway?
Frank75
has anyone else experienced something like this?.
in my mother-in-law's congregation a special pioneer was recently moved to the congregation and he gave a talk where he said he and the other elders felt there was a bad spirit in the congregation and there must be something going on that is preventing jehovah's holy spirit from operating properly.
but he didn't state explicity what the problem might be and now gossip is rife in the congregation about whether there might be a sinner or a traitor in their midst.. for many this is just the excuse they need to gossip and bad mouth others.
Ah yes, the workings of a cult. What I'd like to know is, where was Jehovah's spirit when Rutherford ran the organization??
The light about accumulating wealth, smuggling, alcohol abuse, burlesque and nudie bars wasn't clear then so Jehober gave him a pass.
Frank75
about a year ago, he had an emotional crisis and questioned a lot of things, including his faith.
i thought (and hoped) that he would consider his beliefs and come realize that his beliefs were part of his crisis.
this was not the case, but he and i continue to be on good terms.
Odrade- And I hate that I left that horrible cult 6 years ago, and I am still forced to deal with their attitudes and actions.
Great thread. You sound like my wife.....in a good way!
I appreciate that you aren't playing "hide and seek" with them, although I am sure that like most who still have some form of communication with their JW family, you have to use the squelch button more often than not. Of course they can say whatever they want because, heck they have the trooof right?
It is a frustration that our families should actually be proud of the character/integrity that we show in the stand we have taken.
Keep showing that character! It will be an anchor for your brother one day. Trust me.
Frank75
hello chumz on the board.
nothing really to do with jwism but who prefers the american 'bourbon' type such as 'wild turkey', 'jim beam' etc or who prefers a fine single malt scotch such as 'glenfiddich' or 'glenmorangie'?
i am not trying to stir up nationalism with this question but am just genuinely curious.. lfcv.
AnnOmaly:
If you read thru some of the older posts, you will see comments about Single Malts that bears out your experience above. The entire reason why the Scotch Industry started off as Blended Whiskey is because the Single offerings were just too personal. Blends covered a wider audience preference and is the reason for Scotch's world wide appeal today. Stick with Blends or younger Highland Malts which are lighter and less peaty. Teachers is a low price offering and is the choice of many so you are in good company.
There are two ways that you can get the popular taste of Blended Scotch. One is by aging in oak and reused Sherry Casks and blending to taste, the other is with flavouring and artificial color. My personal feelings about Teachers is that they employ the later metod, thus the low price. If you note the label does not mention how old the Scotch is, while most Scotches do. I have no facts handy for this but I am sure other Scotch drinkers will concur.
Additionally and Sadly for me I was introduced to Teachers by my white trash FIL while I dated my wife. As a result I have tarred the brand with the distaste I have for a man who was an uncaring tyrant in the JW religion.....who hasn't said a word to her in almost 10 years......I think I will have a dram now to calm me down...LOL!
Frank75
hello chumz on the board.
nothing really to do with jwism but who prefers the american 'bourbon' type such as 'wild turkey', 'jim beam' etc or who prefers a fine single malt scotch such as 'glenfiddich' or 'glenmorangie'?
i am not trying to stir up nationalism with this question but am just genuinely curious.. lfcv.
FF:
Lagavulin will rid you of that cough too, but harldy tastes better than Buckleys I am afraid.
Frank75
hello chumz on the board.
nothing really to do with jwism but who prefers the american 'bourbon' type such as 'wild turkey', 'jim beam' etc or who prefers a fine single malt scotch such as 'glenfiddich' or 'glenmorangie'?
i am not trying to stir up nationalism with this question but am just genuinely curious.. lfcv.
I'm European but I prefer Bourbon.
I'm considered a barbarian for that
Nonsense! Bourbon is the cats ass as they say. Kentucky Tavern and Wild Turkey are my favorites, but you can get lost in all the truly delectable choices around!
Cheers!
Frank75
hello chumz on the board.
nothing really to do with jwism but who prefers the american 'bourbon' type such as 'wild turkey', 'jim beam' etc or who prefers a fine single malt scotch such as 'glenfiddich' or 'glenmorangie'?
i am not trying to stir up nationalism with this question but am just genuinely curious.. lfcv.
Hey bttt!
Any new Scotch lovers found their way out of the dubs in the past year? Hey even you apologists, trolls and lurkers! There are better things in life than religion!
Frank75
yeah i know....so i like "introductions that arouse interests" on my subject lines!
but the danger is at the end of this post, not the beginning.
this is actually a very serious thread for oompa... and not my first, but i apologize in advance for it being the longest i have ever posted.
Ooompa:
I am so happy to read your heart sleeve. I have followed your one line posts and have often wondered about the story behind you and your Avitar. Young Frankenstein being one of my favorite comedies of all time. Got to hand it to Mel Brooks!
Anyway I know where you have been as our life experiences seem to be very similar. I am fortunate to have left with at least my wife in tow, or it seems more accurate to say she was pulling me along. She was ready to give up on the JW's years before me but stuck with it for my sake.
I feel the double agent life or hiding true feelings is long term detrimental to us and a great strain to real relationships (not the fantasy ones JW's feel they have in their conditional brotherhood)
I am glad my wife was patient with me and wonder if there isn't a lesson to be learned there. Had she just left would I have drawn a line in the sand and tried forever to prove the JW way to her with far different results, is hard to say.
But it is for each of us to decide what our boundaries will be in the exit process. I remember reading the story of one JW from Washington State who put his experience on the Internet. He found it far more advantageous to work out a plan to open his families eyes to the errors of the Watchtower slowly until they were ready to step away from it together. Doing that was far better than running at the bulwark of the JW machine by tackling the Elders and CO's or frontal attacks on key issues with our families. I eventually did what you did while in actuality my wife did the above. I alienated everyone, so it is with sadness that I recognize her way is to be preferred.
Cheers from "Aby Normal" Frank75
