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Posts by Odrade
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20Recent E-mail Exchange with my Mother
by bavman indear greg: just a note to thank you for the card and for remembering us on our anniversary.
we had a very nice 45th anniversary.
the only thing that would have made it better is if you and ***(my sister) could have celebrated with us .
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They knocked this morning, dog was NOT happy.
by Odrade inthis morning an older gentleman knocked on our door to give us the leaflet invite to the d.c. which is being held locally this year.
my husband answered because i was still in my oh-so-sexy stretched out hot pink pajamas.
neither of us recognized him, but i knew the name because my parents talk about him sometimes (friends.
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Odrade
Yep, a 12 y.o. disappeared yesterday morning in broad daylight just a couple of miles from here. I guess they think they have Jehovah's protection so their kids won't knock on the door of a very bad person, or else the very bad person will see two big angels standing behind the two little boys and behave themselves.
Yes, that is the dog bed. LOL!
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Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?
by FreedomFrog ini just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.
that break up over stupid stuff.
we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?
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Odrade
So your marriage broke up, and you and your kids don't have the standard of living you all have been accustomed to, so you're going to do everything you can to make sure that they never "risk" love or marriage because they might get hurt by being loved conditionally? Sounds pretty warped to me.
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Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?
by FreedomFrog ini just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.
that break up over stupid stuff.
we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?
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Odrade
That's a sad thing to teach a kid. I'd rather teach kids to trust but keep your eyes open and use commonsense. Being raised with a healthy view of love and marriage has a tremendous influence on the success of a kid's future relationships and marriage. Being raised to view marriage as just another way to get screwed (not the fun way) and hurt, is a pretty good way to insure that the kids will have a hard time creating good relationships.
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Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?
by FreedomFrog ini just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.
that break up over stupid stuff.
we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?
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Odrade
Besides, do you WANT to be a "perfect little housewife?" Because it kind of sounds like you don't, and if you think that's what men want, well, some do, but neither of you will be happy if you fake it.
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Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?
by FreedomFrog ini just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.
that break up over stupid stuff.
we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?
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Odrade
I wonder if she's going to stop going to movies because she might see a really good one and then it will end. Or eating a really great steak because when she takes the last bite she might never get another one that good. Maybe she won't ever again go to visit a beautiful scenic area because someday somebody might build a freeway through it...
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Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?
by FreedomFrog ini just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.
that break up over stupid stuff.
we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?
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Odrade
Personally I believe that unconditional love is neither consciously nor intelligently exercised, it is the instinctive love that a mother has for a kid, even if he shot up her neighbors and robbed the liquor store.
Other than that (and maybe some other visceral/instinctive scenario,) I don't believe in unconditional love. I think that every relationship where love exists is based on merit in some way, whether it's healthy or not, there's always a reason to love or a reason to continue loving.
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They knocked this morning, dog was NOT happy.
by Odrade inthis morning an older gentleman knocked on our door to give us the leaflet invite to the d.c. which is being held locally this year.
my husband answered because i was still in my oh-so-sexy stretched out hot pink pajamas.
neither of us recognized him, but i knew the name because my parents talk about him sometimes (friends.
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Odrade
OTWO, maybe this will dampen your ardor for stretched out hot pink jamms: JEEHOOOOOVAAAAAHHHHHH!
heehee. Gretchen: Memorial coliseum this weekend. The joy! the excitement! whoohoo! *gag*
I peeked out the window at the departing JW, it was a whole cargroup in our neighborhood, three older guys and two little boys. Wouldn't you know it the two little boys were "working" together by themselves. I doubt the older one was more than 11.
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They knocked this morning, dog was NOT happy.
by Odrade inthis morning an older gentleman knocked on our door to give us the leaflet invite to the d.c. which is being held locally this year.
my husband answered because i was still in my oh-so-sexy stretched out hot pink pajamas.
neither of us recognized him, but i knew the name because my parents talk about him sometimes (friends.
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Odrade
This morning an older gentleman knocked on our door to give us the leaflet invite to the D.C. which is being held locally this year. My husband answered because I was still in my oh-so-sexy stretched out hot pink pajamas. Neither of us recognized him, but I knew the name because my parents talk about him sometimes (friends.) He started off by saying something about knowing we were (my parent's) kids. My husband answered "yes, my wife is their daughter." Then he gave us the stupid flyer and tried a little to pressure us into going. Well, not really "us" since I was standing down the hall just out of sight. My husband was nice and polite.
My dog, OTOH, waited until we weren't looking after setting the leaflet down:
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How many happy JW marriages do you know of?
by Bonnie_Clyde injust reading frequent flyer miles on the subject of feeling guilty for having a happy marriage with a non-jw.. in our congregation which i haven't attended for about a year, i can only think of two or three who seem to be happy.
of course, i don't know what happens behind closed doors, but i know of several who admit they are unhappy.
i wrote out a long list of couples who have divorced over the last 20 years--including three elders (one is on his second divorce).
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Odrade
I don't know, it seems to me that the relationship may have less conflict when one person (the woman) acquiesces on everything, (submission), and the other (man) is the boss of everything. But happy? How many men are truly happy to have a wife who is just someone to boss around, cook and clean? Yes he's "well-cared-for," but aren't happy marriages the ones where each person contributes to the relationship and partnership, each person is heard and respected, and each person has standing in the relationship to be complete without it, but chooses to stay because that's what they want?
IMO, the marriages (both in the Org and out) that are happy are the ones where the couple has a partnership, not a hierarchy. The JW marriages that work happily (not just "work") are usually the ones that are somewhat in defiance of the entire headship arrangement.
Just my opinion, and how many happy relationships do I know of? A few... certainly less happy ones that I personally know of than miserable ones, or just tolerable ones.
