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  Interesting developments with my wife.

  by Paralipomenon in

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  it has been quite a while since i've provided an update but recently things have been odd.

  there have been alot little things i've picked up on that leads me to believe my wife is really struggling with the concept of remaining a witness.

  i provide gentle coaxing here and there.

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  Odrade

  Very interesting. If you want another book to pique her interest after "Seductive Poison," you might find "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Krakauer a good read. I read it shortly after leaving the WT and found so many correlations it was a little freaky- yet it's about Mormons and one of their break-away cults, thus still "safe."

  All around excellent news. My husband and I left together. We faded before we knew what we were doing, though he found out the truth about WT a bit before I did, and leaked information to me until I was read to run with it.

  BTW, my parents still talk to me, they were over here yesterday in fact.
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  Recent E-mail Exchange with my Mother

  by bavman in

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  dear greg: just a note to thank you for the card and for remembering us on our anniversary.

  we had a very nice 45th anniversary.

  the only thing that would have made it better is if you and ***(my sister) could have celebrated with us .

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  Odrade

  this thread deserves a "best of..." thanks for sharing your messages.
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  They knocked this morning, dog was NOT happy.

  by Odrade in

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  this morning an older gentleman knocked on our door to give us the leaflet invite to the d.c. which is being held locally this year.

  my husband answered because i was still in my oh-so-sexy stretched out hot pink pajamas.

  neither of us recognized him, but i knew the name because my parents talk about him sometimes (friends.

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  Odrade

  Yep, a 12 y.o. disappeared yesterday morning in broad daylight just a couple of miles from here. I guess they think they have Jehovah's protection so their kids won't knock on the door of a very bad person, or else the very bad person will see two big angels standing behind the two little boys and behave themselves.

  Yes, that is the dog bed. LOL!
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  Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?

  by FreedomFrog in

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  i just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.

  that break up over stupid stuff.

  we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?

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  Odrade

  So your marriage broke up, and you and your kids don't have the standard of living you all have been accustomed to, so you're going to do everything you can to make sure that they never "risk" love or marriage because they might get hurt by being loved conditionally? Sounds pretty warped to me.
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  Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. jw
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  i just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.

  that break up over stupid stuff.

  we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?

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  Odrade

  That's a sad thing to teach a kid. I'd rather teach kids to trust but keep your eyes open and use commonsense. Being raised with a healthy view of love and marriage has a tremendous influence on the success of a kid's future relationships and marriage. Being raised to view marriage as just another way to get screwed (not the fun way) and hurt, is a pretty good way to insure that the kids will have a hard time creating good relationships.
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  Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.

  that break up over stupid stuff.

  we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?

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  Odrade

  Besides, do you WANT to be a "perfect little housewife?" Because it kind of sounds like you don't, and if you think that's what men want, well, some do, but neither of you will be happy if you fake it.
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  Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.

  that break up over stupid stuff.

  we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?

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  Odrade

  I wonder if she's going to stop going to movies because she might see a really good one and then it will end. Or eating a really great steak because when she takes the last bite she might never get another one that good. Maybe she won't ever again go to visit a beautiful scenic area because someday somebody might build a freeway through it...
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  Divorces...isn't that a "conditional" love?

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just read the thread on how many jw's were in "happy" marriages and it got me thinking...there is so much divorces, so many families in and out of the org.

  that break up over stupid stuff.

  we complain how mothers/fathers/friends cut you off because of different beliefs.... wouldn't divorces also be on "conditional" love?

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  Odrade

  Personally I believe that unconditional love is neither consciously nor intelligently exercised, it is the instinctive love that a mother has for a kid, even if he shot up her neighbors and robbed the liquor store.

  Other than that (and maybe some other visceral/instinctive scenario,) I don't believe in unconditional love. I think that every relationship where love exists is based on merit in some way, whether it's healthy or not, there's always a reason to love or a reason to continue loving.
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  They knocked this morning, dog was NOT happy.

  by Odrade in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this morning an older gentleman knocked on our door to give us the leaflet invite to the d.c. which is being held locally this year.

  my husband answered because i was still in my oh-so-sexy stretched out hot pink pajamas.

  neither of us recognized him, but i knew the name because my parents talk about him sometimes (friends.

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  Odrade

  OTWO, maybe this will dampen your ardor for stretched out hot pink jamms: JEEHOOOOOVAAAAAHHHHHH!

  heehee. Gretchen: Memorial coliseum this weekend. The joy! the excitement! whoohoo! *gag*

  I peeked out the window at the departing JW, it was a whole cargroup in our neighborhood, three older guys and two little boys. Wouldn't you know it the two little boys were "working" together by themselves. I doubt the older one was more than 11.
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  They knocked this morning, dog was NOT happy.

  by Odrade in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this morning an older gentleman knocked on our door to give us the leaflet invite to the d.c. which is being held locally this year.

  my husband answered because i was still in my oh-so-sexy stretched out hot pink pajamas.

  neither of us recognized him, but i knew the name because my parents talk about him sometimes (friends.

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  Odrade

  This morning an older gentleman knocked on our door to give us the leaflet invite to the D.C. which is being held locally this year. My husband answered because I was still in my oh-so-sexy stretched out hot pink pajamas. Neither of us recognized him, but I knew the name because my parents talk about him sometimes (friends.) He started off by saying something about knowing we were (my parent's) kids. My husband answered "yes, my wife is their daughter." Then he gave us the stupid flyer and tried a little to pressure us into going. Well, not really "us" since I was standing down the hall just out of sight. My husband was nice and polite.

  My dog, OTOH, waited until we weren't looking after setting the leaflet down: