AMAZING,I dont want to see another 911 happen here in the states.Remember Pearl Harbor, my dad was there, it was horrible.I appreciate the time and forethought that you put into your posts.THANKS. DAKOTA RED,Thanks too, excellent response to prolog.The USA has lost its men and woman in helping other nations.We have devoted blood sweat and tears for many suffering people on this planet.No need for me to continue. Blueblades (P.S.) I am an eyewitness to the destruction of the twin towers ,with debris falling on me.I dont ever want to feel that again.I cant speak anymore about it.The lost of human lives has reached out and touched me.
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A Case for Healthy Patriotism
by Amazing inwhether raised jws or we joined at some point in life, we learned to regard patriotism as wrong, part of the devil's system of things.
if we became jws between the mid-1960s and mid-1970s, we had additional social influence to regard patriotism as wrong, as being duped by the elite politicians who use citizens for cannon fodder in wars, or other nationalistic pursuits.
the hippie movement was partly a catalyst that spawned many anti-war, hence, anti-usa government, hence anti-patriotism movement in this country.
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Debt/Ransom
by Blueblades indebt:something owed by one person to another or others.ransom:the price paid.in the biblical teaching,6,000 years ago mankind owed a "debt"to its creator.2,000 years ago it was"paid".why so long to be released from the "debt"owed when the payment"ransom" was received so long ago?usually release from a debt comes immediately(at once) after the payment.now i realize that this biblical teaching is not accepted by many,but for those that do accept it ,why so long to get the release when the debt has already been paid 2,000 years ago?blueblades
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A.Paduan .I was not born 6,000 yrs ago either.So according to your response i should not have a debt to pay either.Blueblades
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Debt/Ransom
by Blueblades indebt:something owed by one person to another or others.ransom:the price paid.in the biblical teaching,6,000 years ago mankind owed a "debt"to its creator.2,000 years ago it was"paid".why so long to be released from the "debt"owed when the payment"ransom" was received so long ago?usually release from a debt comes immediately(at once) after the payment.now i realize that this biblical teaching is not accepted by many,but for those that do accept it ,why so long to get the release when the debt has already been paid 2,000 years ago?blueblades
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Debt:Something owed by one person to another or others.Ransom:The price paid.In the Biblical teaching,6,000 years ago mankind owed a "debt"to its creator.2,000 years ago it was"paid".Why so long to be released from the "debt"owed when the payment"ransom" was received so long ago?Usually release from a debt comes immediately(at once) after the payment.Now I realize that this Biblical teaching is not accepted by many,but for those that do accept it ,why so long to get the release when the debt has already been paid 2,000 years ago?Blueblades
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Fair Play
by Blueblades in.
is it fair play?what i am asking is about fairness and honor concerning god's actions toward physical fleshly humans and his actions toward spirit creatures.first his actions toward spirit creatures.they get to see god.they get to live without growing old and dying.they have no worries about losing loved ones in death.im speaking about those spirit creatures who do not go along with those who have rejected god.now, god's actions toward those physical fleshly creatures.that is those that like the spirit creatures who do not go along with those who rejected god.they dont get to see god.they don't get to live without growing old and dying.they have worries about losing loved ones in death.is this fair play?both creatures who have not rejected god get different treatment .
your thoughts on this question will be very much appreciated blueblades
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Is it Fair Play?What I am asking is about Fairness and Honor concerning God's actions toward Physical Fleshly Humans and His actions toward Spirit Creatures.First His actions toward Spirit Creatures.They get to see God.They get to live without growing old and dying.They have no worries about losing loved ones in death.Im speaking about those Spirit Creatures who do not go along with those who have rejected God.Now, God's actions toward those Physical Fleshly Creatures.That is those that like the Spirit Creatures who do not go along with those who rejected God.They dont get to see God.They don't get to live without growing old and dying.They have worries about losing loved ones in death.Is this Fair Play?Both Creatures who have not rejected God get different treatment . There is more, but ,this will do for now. Your thoughts on this question will be very much appreciated Blueblades
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subliminal pictures in WT publications
by In_between_days ina recent thread got me quite interested in this, as i was amazed to hear that some people have seen "demonic" looking picture in dub publications; i do remember being shown by a dub in the revelatiopn book a picture of jehovah (or jesus, i cant remember ) smashing something with a big rod, adn there is a hideous lloking claw, reaching up trying to grap the stick (or sceptre i cant remember what it was) sorry if this post is really incoherant, i just had two double vodkas with vanilla coke!!.
anyway, i was quite astonished ot read that others have seen other images.
what im after in this thread is a list of where people have seen these images and in what publications; i remember showing this certain picture to my family and them saying "are you really trying to tell me that jehovah would allow the demons to do this in his publications.
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In_between_days, The WT.Sept 1,1984,pg.20. Would you spread a rumor?" Even the WT.Society's publications have ben subject of rumors---for example,that one of the artists had secrecty been introducing pictures of demons into the illustrations,was subsequently found out and disfellowshiped! Did you share in spreading any such stories?If so you were ---perhaps unwittingly----spreading an untruth,since they were all false.Certainly,the rumor concerning the society's publications was harmful,as well as slanderous to the zealous christians who work long hours producing artwork to make the magazines,brochures and books so attractive". It seems that this so-called rumor continued to spread.Two and a half years later,WT.March1,1987,pg.15".Upon the Watchtower I am standing".Each article in both the Watchtower and Awake! and every --"-PAGE"---including the ---ARTWORK----is" SCRUTINIZED "by selected members of the Governing Body, "BEFORE"it is printed.So for two and a half years these so-called rumors would not die down.The book JW'S and The HOUR OF DARKNESS, by Darek Barefoot paints a very different picture .It is illustrated and documented.Read it for yourself ,and then you decide as to whether it is rumor or truthful facts,presented by Darek Barefoot. Blueblades
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How did your KIDS react when you left?
by Prisca injust curious here..... if you left the "truth" when you still had children living at home, what was their reaction to your leaving?.
did they leave too?.
did they want to remain jws?.
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The kids never gave it their all.So when I told them about what I found out, at first they were shocked,but then as I proved one point after the other,showing them the WT.past history they were able to let go.Now they are so much happier with living their lives as they want to.They are decent good kids.Its hard to answer questions without giving up too much info. because of not wanting to come out in the open yet .The kids are out,but the parents are still in,waiting because much more is involved for us.Lets leave it at that for now.Blueblades
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in bed together
by SPAZnik in"satan" & "the wts" are in bed together.. .
i am seething that they (in their sociopathic-ness).
show no remorse (beyond mere words).
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The Book,"Hour of Darkness",by Darek Barefoot is interesting in connection with your topic.It is disturbing to say the least.It makes the claim that for several years images,symbols,and figures drawn from witchcraft and Satanism have been surreptitously incorporated into the society's books and magazines.And that those who are most affected are those who look to the WT. society for spiritual guidance. AWAKE! AUGUST 22,1984,P.28. "Any organization claiming to be the way of salavation "should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism". Blueblades
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forgiveness?
by SPAZnik inlet's play "what if".... even if they *changed their ways*.... openly apologized.... and implemented drastic new policies.... would you go back?.
or are you "once stung, twice shy"?.
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They must face the " BLOOD ON THE ALTAR "issue.We are all aware of the sexual abuse of innocent children.David A. Reed's book documents that "More children are dying right now,in obedience to the JW ban on blood transfusions."Ask the parents for forgiveness for the ongoing tragic murder of our children.They must admit complicity to this horrible policy that quietly continues to kill needlessly, when lives could be saved. Blueblades
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Why did YOU want to live forever??
by Scully inwhat was it about living forever that appealed to you when you were a jw?.
was it the idea that you'd have all the time in the world to do whatever you wanted to do?
were you thinking about travelling the world and seeing it all transformed into a paradise?
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I was thinking at the time that the best thing I could give my children was the gift of life.When I learned of this living forever on a paradise earth like the Garden of Eden at that time so long ago, I thought this is the best gift I could give to my children.Their future was secure ,death would not claim us.That was back in the day way back.My children ,now they are all grown up and married and are not thinking about living forever on a paradise earth.Neither are their parents,however, they have told us that they know we love them and were looking out for their future when they were not able to.OH! If we could ever know if these words are true "Death where is your sting!"??Blueblades
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Change from within the ORG..suggestions?
by breeze inchange from within?
maybe if you could do away with ignoring your own family because they made a mistake and did something foolish in their life that already regret terribily?
caspian says: but i am not alone, i am in contact with at least 30 active elders, 1 travelling overseer and one prominent bethel elder who like me are trying to create change for the better within the organization.. other changes and suggestions that would improve the org, please!!!
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CHAMELEON:Any of various Old World lizards( family Chamaeleontidae ) with an angular head,prehensile tail, eyes that move independently of each other,the ability to change skin color rapidly, and a long,agile tongue for catching prey.= a changeable or fickle person with the ability to imitate this chameleon.The history of the society has demonstrated it has this ability. by using its Head,Tail,Eyes,Skin,and Tongue it has caught its unsuspecting prey.No change from within will ever change this Chameleon as the evidence of its history has proven. Blueblades