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  What would you do if the Society Declares Bankruptcy

  by Quarterback in

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  special pioneers let go.

  bethel workers laid off.

  construction halts, what's next?

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  StarTrekAngel

  cognac,

  in my humble opinion the internet won't make much of a difference. There is already plenty on the internet to wake up an elephant, and yet it hardly works in massive amounts. I am not downrating its importance, I am just saying that you would expect more awakenings if it was so.

  Lack of financial support would indicate lack of divine backing at first sight, agreed. However, the org would provide new light way before that. It would not be the first time this is discussed. When things go well, is a sign of God's blessings, when thing go bad, is a sign of the times of the end and only the true org would be able to discern it. It could easily be attached to Revelation and the paragraph that talks about the dead witnesses. They used to say that paragraph was a prophecy, partly fulfilled after all the apostles died and the resurrection of the two witnesses (also from Revelation) was fulfilled when Russel created the bible students association.
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  Jonestown Survivor Quote

  by cappytan in

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  "...when our own thoughts are forbidden, when our questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished; when contacts & friendships outside of the organisation are censored, we are being abused for an end that never justifies its means.

  when our heart aches knowing we have made friendships and secret attachments that will be forever forbidden if we leave, we are in danger.

  when we consider staying in a group because we cannot bear the loss, disappointment and sorrow our leaving will cause for ourselves and those we have come to love, we are in a cult.

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  StarTrekAngel

  All that is needed is "new light"
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  What would you do if the Society Declares Bankruptcy

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
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  special pioneers let go.

  bethel workers laid off.

  construction halts, what's next?

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  StarTrekAngel

  Yes. I don't think 100% will remain but for sure many will. Some elders may take the lead and wake up some in the process when their unchecked authority raises to their heads.

  As far as the lack of literature, we used to have a CO who would always brag about the time he spent in jail in Cuba. He said they had a handful of magazines that they managed to bring in and would constantly study again and again. He also said that some of the witnesses in the jail knew morse code and would communicate the contents of the magazines to one another by tapping morse code on exposed plumbing.
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  What would you do if the Society Declares Bankruptcy

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
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  special pioneers let go.

  bethel workers laid off.

  construction halts, what's next?

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  StarTrekAngel

  Nothing! If it happens, it would be a sign of the times. I hardly think it would wake anyone up. My local elders would probably organize an underground network of meetings..."so we can keep the faith while we await further instructions."

  I remember an elder who used to constantly say that day will come when we would have to meet in private and small groups, probably let our beards grow and always carry booze in our cars. All to pretend to be worldly people and be able to continue preaching in hiding.
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  Doing the Right Thing, Making a Choice (shunning)

  by Simon in

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  continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.

  so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.

  if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.

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  Yep. agree Simon. Last assembly we were presented with the fine example of an anointed sister from my cong. She went on stage and actually cried while she talked about the disappointment of her son leaving the truth. Everybody clapped like there is not tomorrow. What they don't know is that she doesn't truly shun her kid. For once, it is easier for her, the guy leaves hours away so they don't always see each other. But every now and then, when he comes, she doesn't take the chance to show her stance. She also visits with him and I have pictures to prove it.
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  Doing the Right Thing, Making a Choice (shunning)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.

  so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.

  if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.

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  I think that if one was to be involved in a murder case, the person pulling the trigger takes all the blame. You could never say that the bullet has some blame, even if a tiny one.

  I agree that there might be those JWs out there that see shunning as a realization of power. A way for them to channel who they truly are. Steven Hassan explains in his book that someone that is under cult indoctrination does not loose free will and his abilities to make choices, but they do loose the choices themselves. i.e.: before being a JW, a situation may present you with choice A,B and C. After being indoctrinated, option C may be out of the pool because you were indoctrinated to think the bible speaks against option C, even though most reasonable people would not see it as such. You still have free will, except your options are now limited.

  I don't care how much you know about the health benefits of salads, if someone managed to convince you that the salad is poisoned, you will not eat it. This happens to all of us day in and day out. Some people are afraid of flying to the point they won't fly at all, yet they have no problems texting and driving all the time. This only changes when you have a major awakening. People have awakenings to all sorts of things, not just from cults.
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  Intriguing - but Unsubstantiated!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to one source on a western european 'apostate' website, the org's plan is to abandon the name "jehovah's witnesses" in the future, and replace it with "worshippers of jehovah.".

  http://www.bruderinfo-aktuell.de/index.php/fixnews/#comment-4313 .

  the gist of the account appears to be a repeat of rutherford's re-branding and debunking of old predictions made by the previous shower of fakers.

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  I always thought that the push for JW.org was a bridge to become known as Jesus' Witnesses. After all there is plenty of evidence in the gospel about being witnesses for Jesus, not Jehovah. It would put the org more in line with the idea of bearing witness, which is completely sidetracked in the current doctrine.
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  Are cults a hidden epidemic? Great interview...

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is a great interview from 2013 between various cult ex members and experts, including mr hassan.

  one thing i was surprised to hear is that the word cult is now considered "politically incorrect".

  someone mentioned this on another thread and i made the comment that i suspected cults themselves had something to do with it.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Here is a great interview from 2013 between various cult ex members and experts, including Mr Hassan. One thing I was surprised to hear is that the word cult is now considered "politically incorrect". Someone mentioned this on another thread and I made the comment that I suspected cults themselves had something to do with it. Alexandra Stein points to that citing that some cults have lobbied government institutions to remove the word cult. I believe that removing it rests emphasis on the threat they represent.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LNEpvgzWPk
  
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  Mobile Hotspot - JWFACTS.COM - Assembly & Conventions

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an idea i tested.

  works at both assemblies and conventions.

  i have noticed at the last convention and at my last assembly that when i opened up my wifi setting, tons of hotspots came up for people tethering their tablets to their smart phones.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Funny, somehow when I proposed this a while back, people did not respond so well. Some accused me of trying to hijack DNS
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  My thoughts on the last WT study. Keep in Expectation

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i sat thru another brain mushing session for the sake of family.

  it is no myth by now that the more time you spend awake the harder it is the accept that people just take all of this in without asking.

  a computer has more reasoning abilities than your average jw at this point.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Yep. Thought that as well.