UPDATE 2: Since Freedom is Free, Why is it Taxed?

by RichieRich 190 Replies latest jw friends

  • startingover
    startingover

    I've never really had any dialogue with RR, but reading his posts for a year now I would hardly call him a stranger. I know what he looks like, what's happening in his life, etc. If I ever was in NC you can be certain I would try to look him up, just to shake his hand if nothing more. And now I am more than willing to send him a few $$$ to get him on his way.

    For some time now I have been concerned about all the encouragement he has been getting in his escapades. He has become a hero here. Do I admire his courage? you bet! And damn right I'd like to post my real picture with my middle finger extended for all to see like he does, but realities prevent that. Even though I feel he's mature for his age, the harsh realities are now going to hurt him. If we encouraged him we now need to back him up. I personally am not ready to send $$$ immediately, I'd like to see how this plays out a little bit, but if he gets into a situation that only $$$ will solve, I would be willing to send him some through paypal that he can get right away.

    I was just thinking, how much are we willing to spend to go see a movie? RR has been much more entertainment for me than any movie I've seen lately.

  • roybatty
    roybatty
    She went on not being able to trust me, blah blah blah.

    Irony of growing up a JW. If you're "true to yourself" and leave the JW mindset, one's parents claim they can't trust - even thought you did the honest thing. Instead, they'd rather have you "lie" and pretend to be a good, little JW.

    If only they could think clearing for one moment and realize that jr. is becoming a man (or woman) and you should celibrate his decision to think for himself.

  • Seeking Knowledge
    Seeking Knowledge

    Holy Crap RR!

    Been away, and here I am and there you are. I agree with most everyone here, you need to get your stuff together as "under the radar" as possible until this blows over. Your mother will calm down eventually, especially when she sees that her antics are really not causing you any problems on the surface. She may not change her mind about things, but she will calm down. Maybe when that happens she'll remember how much she loves you and may begrudgingly accept your decisions in life. On the other hand, she really doesn't have any right to tell you how you will spend your paycheck and put you on an allowance, but if you must indulge her until her face goes back to a normal color, so be it. Just have your ducks in a row!

    My thoughts are with you Richie, I've followed all your posts and you're fantastic. Most teenagers don't know who they are at your age, but you've not only got that under control, you've gone out & taken action to make sure your life will be lead the way you want to live it! I'm way to far away from you to help directly, but anything I can do let me know! I know you're going to be a great inspiration to my son when the time comes!

    SK

  • XJW4EVR
    XJW4EVR

    Richie, please read the following with tongue firmly implanted in cheek.

    Of course she can't trust you! You have left Jehober's "loving" Borginization! This means that you are going to screw anything with two legs, drink like a fish, and use drugs!

    On a more serious note, I fully understand what you are going through. If you read my story you know that I knew I would be thrown out of the house if I even applied for college. You have guts, a safe place to vent, and get advise (which was something I didn't have). I can imagine the hell your life must be right now, but focus on the end result, your freedom. The prize is often made more valuable because of the struggle.

  • cheen
    cheen

    YO! I sympathize with your situation Richie, but...I hear all this talk about sending you $$$$$$ to help you out. In all of the threads that you have posted you come off as an intelligent kid and I'm sure you have heard of direct deposit, this will keep your mothers hands off your earned money. You also mentioned that you're "management" and you at least earn double the minimum wage. Seems to me that if you kept your money safe, you have the resources to leave if and when you wanted. Now, if our fellow good people on the board really wanted to help someone, all they have to do is contribute either time or $$$$ to some of the deprived persons in their own communities, whether it be a homeless person on the street, or even contribute to a battered child or womens shelter. This in itself would be a real act of love, something JW's don't teach. Now how bout it Richie, wouldn't you rather we take that 20 or so dollars and "donate" it to a great cause as mentioned above?.....and by the way donations to respected charities can be tax free(USA) if you claim it.

  • Swan
    Swan

    Dear Richie,

    This is so similar to the crap my parents pulled when I DAed myself at age 35! Things got so crazy! It was like I didn't know them any more. They were living in my house at the time. They used it as a home base in the winter and traveled in an RV during spring, summer, and fall. They would come into the house while I was at work and remove things. Some of the stuff was theirs, but some of it was debatable. I couldn't be sure of what they took.

    You see, it got even more complicated when you factored in that they loaned me the money for my house. I was making regular payments at 8.5% interest. The house was in my name, though. Perhaps they felt the house was theirs.

    Well, I began to worry that they would not only take my stuff, but that they might start to vandalize my stuff that they didn't take. I asked them to come while I was home so that I could observe what was being taken from my house and to keep an eye on things. I felt that was a reasonable request. They showed up one afternoon while I was home early getting ready for a doctor's appointment. Walked right in. When they found I was home, they immediately left.

    Following the advice of some friends, I had to change the locks! And then I repeated that they could come take any of their stuff, but I had to be there. I was going to have a friend from work be there too, as a witness (no pun intended).

    Well days went by. The first day with an empty mailbox didn't raise my suspicions. The second day I had a horrible idea of what might be happening. The third day I knew something was really wrong and I went down to the post office. They had put in a change of address for them and for me and sent my mail to my brother's house! When confronted about it, they claimed it was a mistake they must have made in filling out the change of address request. Back over to the post office. The postmaster checked, and he said it was no mistake. He wanted to know if I wanted to file a report. I declined. I just couldn't file charges against my parents for a federal crime.

    To this day I am glad I didn't. But I still feel badly that things got so strained between us so quickly.

    They left a lot of stuff behind in my house. I wrote them letters and let them know that they could pick up their belongings any time, and I would arrange to be home to open the house to them. They never did. They did send me a letter once asking for some stuff. I packed it up for them and left it outside for them to pick up. There was a lot of furniture, clothes, appliances, and other items they just abandoned.

    At the time I DAed I told them it didn't have to change my relationship with them; only they could choose to do that. I told them they were welcome to stay and things could go on just as always. Well, they chose. My Dad wasn't even a baptized JW. He was an unbelieving mate. He was always an indecisive wishy-washy person, and my mom would always get so upset with him that he wouldn't take the lead as the head of the house. But he was the one who put his foot down and told my mom that they had to cut me off from their lives.

    I would have gladly nursed them in their old age if I had had to. I would have done anything for them but live my life according to the way they wanted me to for even one more day. Now, after twelve years of total shunning, I feel differently. I wouldn't raise a hand to help them cross the street. I wouldn't go to their funerals even if the family begged me. If they offered me millions of dollars, I would turn them down.

    But, if they pulled up to the house today and said they were so sorry and genuinely wanted to reestablish a relationship with me, I would welcome them back in a heartbeat.

    There is no going back for me now. There can be no compromise, otherwise all I have been through will have been for nothing. They have to accept me for who I am now, just as I would accept them for who they are. The only thing I can't accept is their intolerance. The only thing I can't accept is me having to live my life according to their warped views. I just cannot do that.

    So believe me Richie when I tell you I know what you are going through. I know what it feels like; I know about all the conflicting emotions involved. It is scary. I was never more afraid. It is a heavy price to pay, but it is worth it to be yourself. That is the most valuable thing in the world to me. I think it will be to you too. Just don't let the craziness get to you. Take the high road. Defend your rights, but pick your battles doing it. Your goal is to win, if you can, and the prize is the possibility of a future relationship with your parents. Sometimes a minor loss can result in a long term victory. It didn't happen for me, but I still have hope. And I sure hope it happens to you.

    Tammy

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered

    Post from all the way from Hong Kong Richie. You've become a movie star!

    Dismembered

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu
    Following the advice of some friends, I had to change the locks!

    That reminds me, after I moved out, my dad changed all the locks on the house. I don't know why, it's not like I wanted to go back there.

    If they offered me millions of dollars, I would turn them down.

    That's where I'm different. I'll take their money, as long as it's not conditional at the time of accepting it. If they feel they're showing love by giving money (which my father does), then I'll accept it. If he throws it against me, like saying "Look at all the money I gave you, and this is how you tread me", I'll tell him that the money didn't have a condition on it at the time I recieved it, therefore his argument is invalid. As far as I'm concerned, it was a gift.

    Richie, things are going to get really weird, and your mother is going to do some really stupid, illogical things. Make yourself a bowl of popcorn, and have a good laugh.

  • jgnat
    jgnat
    Packed up my troubles in my old kit bag: packed an emergency bag with clean underwear and sox, extra toiletries, an extra copy of my phone book, some $$ and some quarters for the phone. This took a surprising amount of weight and worry off my shoulders!

    I did that too, in preparation for leaving my ex-husband. It helped me mentally leave. I was gone in a few months.

    Having your own bank account helps, too.

  • damselfly
    damselfly

    I am very concerned for you Richie.

    Your mother is using emotionaly abusive tatics with you, this is what she knows and what she is probably being encouraged or prompted to do by others in the hall. Unfortunately this is very common to teens who leave the JW's. It happened to me, it happened to my friends.

    The cases I heard about where the CPS was contacted made matters much worse and the results lasted for much longer. The action of bringing (or attempting to bring) charges against the parents for emotional abuse and neglect served as a catalyst for the hall as a whole to vilify the children invovled as being coldhearted liars. By being branded as such, any and all abuse was immediately dismissed as being false. This puts the parents in a favourable light and they got nothing but sympathy and support for further abusive tatics. Why? Because the hall as a whole had been put on the defensive and now they all felt justified in covering up, denying and continuing these abusive tatics.

    It's a very sensitive situation that needs all angles thought out before acting on it.

    You know your mother better then anyone on here obviously, if you want to continue a relationship with her in the future your actions in the next few weeks that will help determine that. Will the odds of a mother/son relationship increase by taking the high road and attempting to make peace? Or will she react better by getting a shock of being charged and told by authorities that she is abusive? Only you can begin to know how she will react.

    I am sorry for you because I went thru this and thought I was going to die. If you need to chat or vent please don't hesitate to PM me.

    Dams

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