by BelieverInJesus 396 Replies latest watchtower bible
ellderwho,
You quote Phil. 2:6 as follows:
Phi 2:6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
This is a good translation, but it says exactly the opposite of what you want. He existed EN MORFH TOU QEOU, but what did he not do? He did not attempt to hARPAGMOS (grasp for, violently attempt to sieze or rape) equality with God. You cannot do this to something you already have.
Mondo
I have learned enough greek to understand the deity of christ specifically in John 1:1 which is a highly explanitive verse of who is Jesus.
As for adding verses to the bible regarding the trinity in the 15th century, your getting that information from your cult! I can't trust a THING the JW's tell me. They are so backwards on so many things that I can't hold ANYTHING they say for the truth. I get my information from the KJV, NIV, NLT, NAS, and from NON-CULT scholars!
These JW's that came to my house are quite odd. I prepared much great tasting food for them. They refused to eat it and even touch it, how rude!
They give me the same stupid pussy-footing book which stradles the fence on big issues but "sounds pleasing" each time they come by. I keep telling them, "hey, I allready have 5 of the same book from you, please don't leave another one on the table!!!" I read all the literature they gave me, but they wont even "touch" the literature that I give them! Weirdo's! They wont get a 4 year degree, masters, phd, edd, etc. They persuade to get a trade. Nothing wrong with trades, but alot wrong with not letting God lead you to exactly where you will go. The disfellowshipping is weird also. From what they have told me, I feel very sad for them. Infact of all the JW's I've known, not one has had a rock solid family life. Infact each of them, are majorly screwed up! I have a JW friend whose an airline pilot, very sharp guy, he was disfellowshipped for owning a motorcycle. The JW leaders kept on and on and on him about buying a 4 door car. Who cares! Back then, he was only making 8,000 a year, he could not afford a car, only a 500 dollar motorcycle. So they, kicked him out, now he is glad he is no longer with them. He attends a Baptist church now.
Mondo are you still in the cult?
BelieverInJesus,
That is pretty funny. Let us see what another says on it, shall we?
A.T. Robertson: "At this point the Latin Vulgate gives the words in the Textus Receptus, found in no Greek MS. save two late cursives (162 in the Vatican Library of the fifteenth century, 34 of the sixteenth century in Trinity College, Dublin). Jerome did not have it. Cyprian applies the language of the Trinity and Priscillian has it. Erasmus did not have it in his first edition, but rashly offered to insert it if a single Greek MS. had it and 34 was produced with the insertion, as if made to order."
Now, you say you trust the NAS and NIV. Look at them then! They don't include it!
Mondo
Mondo,
Who is the author of Genesis 1:26 referring to when it says US and OUR ?
BelieverInJesus,
We are not explicitly told, but most likely it was Wisdom (Prov. 8:30), who is the Logos. (Joh. 1:1-4)
Mondo
Revelation 1:8 God calls himself "The Alpha and the Omega...."
Revelation 22:12-16 Jesus calls himself "The Alpha and the Omega..."
God = Jesus
Mondo, Did you go to school for your knowledge? If so where?
BelieverInJesus,
Let us apply your logic elsewhere.
Cats are called pets
Dogs are called pets
It doesn't work. Jesus is called King of Kings, but God himself called Nebuchadnezzar King of kings. So is Nebuchadnezzar Jesus? No!
The fact is actually that Revelation 22:12-13 is the Father, which I will be happy to demonstrate if you like. Jesus begins speaking in verse 16.
As for my education, which areas of my education? I am self taught in much, but formally taught in some.
Mondo
Let us go on the assumption that everyone reading this agrees that the NWT is truth, though I know for a fact that everyone will NOT believe this. Whether you do or do not, that is the translation I am using. Go look it up in NLV or KJV or NIV whatever you want, it will be the same. The Bible goes much deeper than choice of words, even though that is a large part of it.
First, Jesus exsisted. There is documentatioin BESIDES the Bible. "The Book of Josephus" mentions Jesus in Antiquities, Book 18, chapter 3, paragraph 3
“Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”Second, Jesus was God's son.
John 8: 28-29- When he got to the other side, into the country of the Gad·a·renes´, there met him two demon-possessed men coming out from among the memorial tombs, unusually fierce, so that nobody had the courage to pass by on that road. And, look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God? Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time?” <Even his enemies form the heavenly realms acknowledged him as the Son of God? Did he decieve them too?
Third, Jesus was God.
John 20: 28- In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” <You mean he was decieved? Wasn't he one of the closest to Jesus?I'm relatively sure ALL of the disciples felt this way seeing as how Thomas was the only one that doubted, yet he ended up believing anyway.
Acts 7: 59- And they went on casting stones at Stephen as he made appeal and said: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” <Since when have complete humans been able to recieve spirits?
If you think I'm wrong, or you decide that this is inconclusive, tell me why and/or which part.
Unfortunately, this has been found out as a fraud by Eusebius, one of the Church fathers. Nice try, though.
