I feel like taking a risk on the platform tomorrow night.

by SirNose586 61 Replies latest jw friends

  • codeblue
    codeblue

    wow...you have nerves of steel.

    I don't live near any of my jw kids and visited one and shared why I am not at the meetings. (how the elders said something totally inappropriate on a welcoming visit---the accusation was disgusting)

    He sent me a mean/angry email and has relinquished communication with me. I spent a week feeling extremely worthless and even felt like I was better off dead.

    I have been fading for 3 years....becareful what honesty brings you.

    If you are not in a position to move out of your parents house....just do some acting till you have arrangements.

    The love of the WTBS always comes first.

    btw...can you be my son?

  • sf
    sf
    My mask is on, but I feel like dropping it...just slightly...to see what happens. Now of course, you can't outright say what you want in a talk...but the hints will be there. And it will not be the typical WTS line.

    Go with THAT feeling.

    Your willingness to take a risk is a warming feeling. [ edited for emphasis] Remember that when you do drop the mask, even slightly, to look in the mirror first! Get a glimpse.

    I applaude your willingness.

    Happy trails!

    sKally

  • truthsetsonefree
    truthsetsonefree

    It depends on your congo. I have done that to almost standing ovations.

  • mama1119
    mama1119

    Good Luck...I can't wait to find out how it went! Keep us posted.

  • moshe
    moshe

    Perhaps you could provide a phony cover for your talk. A householder complained that JW's do not help the poor- there are no JW soup kitchens or homeless shelters, etc. You felt embarrassed and had no answer . It is certainly a command from God to help widows, orphans, hungry, etc. JW's take advantage of public help in times of need, some have even gone to the Salvation Army for help you have heard,etc. Is their any reason why the KH could not do the same? Wouldn't God bless us for helping the poor?- give Bible examples- and negative examples - what God will do to those who turn their back on the poor. then drop it- let the Bible speak to the hearts.

    This is nothing that JW's haven't heard at the door a thousand times, you are just relating an experience. No one could find fault with a talk like that- they wouldn't like it, but too bad.

    Good luck!!

  • stillajwexelder
  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free
    I'm still in because for one, I haven't gotten out the house. That needs to happen first. Secondly, all my friends are still in, not to mention immediate family and grandparents.

    I suggest that you try not to make waves until you're ready to leave on your own terms. Even that would entail some consequences, but do what's best for yourself in the long run.

    It tastes so much better when you can tell them to f*ck off on your terms, and make it stick.

    W

  • Mary
    Mary
    Frank75 said: SirNose586 - I'm using Proverbs 22:9 for that. Innocent enough, I should think. It'll be backed up by a reference to James 1:27.
    Well that spells the end. The oral tradition has been to scrutinize anyone who is too comfortable with James, especially that verse because Ray Franz spent considerable time on the subject in C of C and the effect that the commentary of James had on the governing body. That book and the commentary have been more trouble than the society can handle. They have been trying to remove it from the library for at least the last 10 years. CO and DO have been told to suspect anyway who makes reference to the book as trouble. Anyone who quotes some of the sage advise in the commentary will be dismissed out of hand and put in the CO's little black book

    Ah, it's nice to see that God's Chosen are only guided by the scriptures eh? I had no idea they had a 'problem' with this verse so I looked it up and sure enough, they (once again) go beyond what is written because it doesn't fit into their mold of what the term "christian" means:

    ***cj chap.1 pp. 47-48 Chapter 1***

    27

    The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.

    The reference is to the worship that Jehovah God views as "clean," pure, holy and "undefiled," untainted by any badness. Besides being the God of Christians, Jehovah is also their Father, for he has begotten them by means of his spirit to be his sons. James is not trying to give a full definition of true worship with all its requirements; he is not saying that caring for widows and orphans and keeping unspotted from the world are all that true worship amounts to.

    Actually, that's exactly what he's saying. If there were more requirments, then James would have listed them, but he doesn't.

    moshe said: A householder complained that JW's do not help the poor- there are no JW soup kitchens or homeless shelters, etc. You felt embarrassed and had no answer . It is certainly a command from God to help widows, orphans, hungry, etc. JW's take advantage of public help in times of need, some have even gone to the Salvation Army for help you have heard,etc. Is their any reason why the KH could not do the same? Wouldn't God bless us for helping the poor?- give Bible examples- and negative examples - what God will do to those who turn their back on the poor. then drop it- let the Bible speak to the hearts. This is nothing that JW's haven't heard at the door a thousand times, you are just relating an experience. No one could find fault with a talk like that- they wouldn't like it, but too bad.

    Excellent example moshe. The sad part is: Witnesses don't do anything charitable (which is a basic part of Christianity, Judaism and Islam). And believe me, many would find fault with a talk like that for the simple reason that it goes against, not what the bible says, but what the Governing Body says. And when you have to chose between these two, we all know who wins.

  • bebu
    bebu

    btw...can you be my son?

    ((((CB)))) Maybe adopting one of the fellows here who are JW "orphans" is exactly the thing you need to do!!

    Ironically, it fits right in with this topic, too... (James 1:27 and all.)

    bebu

  • valkyrie
    valkyrie

    SirNose,

    Of course, the impetus for your decision (and its necessary risk) is known only to you - somewhere deep inside. I expect you will already have taken a bit of time to do some self -analysis (i.e., soul-searching) before arriving at your decision and will have found the act and its potential ramifications acceptable to you.

    I applaud your courage; after the fact of most situations, that which one most regrets is the challenge (whether implicit or explicit) not accepted and the opportunity not seized... to give body to one's deepest intuitions! The alternative may provide shelter and safety - albeit tainted, tempered and temporary - but it is the bold victories and achievements that give the greatest pleasure and sense of worth.

    As a suggestion to fleshing out your 'apology' for the appropriateness of your to-be-espoused views: Perhaps you might reflect aloud (before the congregation) that the Watchtower Society in its many legal incarnations/incorporations is publicly and officially registered and acting as a charitable organization.(!) A sense of Christian duty as well as honour before men of all sorts, therefore, behooves both the Society and its associates (i.e., colloquially, the individual JW) to fulfill that self-engaged duty to provide charity of a broad range (including both spiritual and physical succour) to persons in need of such.

    I wish you sustained courage and steadfastness in your presentation.

    -V

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