I feel like taking a risk on the platform tomorrow night. (page 4)

AuldSoul

SirNose,

Your hook for the charity angle could be where Jesus told his disciples who to spread a feast for.

Respectfully,
AuldSoul

juni

akJeff said:

I say push the envelope only as much as you can tolerate the reaction

I agree. I wish I could be a fly on the wall SirNose!! Good luck, but only if you're ready for the fall out.

Keep us posted.

Juni

betterdaze

SirNose,

Speak softly, and carry a big stick.

~Sue

This sounds admirable. Just be prepared for whatever pressure may come your way. One cannot underestimate the level of friction that is aroused when anyone even slightly goes beyond the official organizational ideology. I have absolutely no doubt that you will be counseled for this. Anyone who even slightly steps out of the bounds of the "theocratic arrangement" is viewed with suspicion.

I am not trying to be a nay-sayer. It's just that I know from personal experience how very unpleasant it can get when JW family members suspect that you doubt the organization in any way. Even your personal friends may begin to distance themselves from you if they think you hold views contrary to the "faithful slave".

But, I realize that you know all of this. Just tread softly. Remember that in an organization such as this; "shaking things up" at any time or place is like shaking up a can of soda.

AK - Jeff

The 'toleration level' may differ place to place, depending on the elders in charge I suppose.

One MS I knew, once quoted a Wt or Wt Publication during a talk on the TMS. [I do not recall the subject] Immediately after the quote he stated 'Well, I don't know if I agree with that or not, but.....'. You could have heard a pin drop, once the air was returned to the room from all the gasps. It was gossipped about for a while I suppose. But as far as I know, nothing was ever said to him by the elders about that comment.

Jeff

Alpheta

So what happened? Please - anyone! TELL!

jayhawk1

Sirnose must still be receiving council in the back of the Hall.

sf

Perhaps he is elaborating, over coffee and pie.

A girl can dream, can't she?!

sKally

Arthur

bttt

SirNose586

Dear Sir...,
couple things. Are you an MS? Is this talk a #2?
Also, if you are putting more emphasis on Jesus in some of your talks,...what is your belief towards Him?
Good luck.

Yes, I am 21, and an MS. It was the bible highlights. As for putting more emphasis on Jesus, if you're really a Christian, this is what you will do naturally. I have not transformed into a full-fledged "Jesus freak" but I make sure he gets mention whenever possible. The WTS plan to cut out Jesus from everyday talk is working like a charm, and I am really saddened by this. They should stop trying to pretend to Christians...they are Jehovists, or Sacred Namists, whatever floats your boat. There is freedom in being a Christian, somehow, and I am going to find out how.

That book and the commentary have been more trouble than the society can handle. They have been trying to remove it from the library for at least the last 10 years. CO and DO have been told to suspect anyway who makes reference to the book as trouble. Anyone who quotes some of the sage advise in the commentary will be dismissed out of hand and put in the CO's little black book.

I do like the book of James. I am going to quote that commentary whenever possible, based on tonight's reaction to my little test.

btw...can you be my son?

Absolutely, mama! (((codeblue)))

Sirnose must still be receiving council in the back of the Hall.

Heh, no that didn't happen! But I will tell everyone this...it was of course, quite silent in the audience. I had rapt attention from everyone. How couldn't they? I talked about things they didn't know, like the gist of Mazlow's Hierarchy of Needs (starving man can't be spiritual, etc.). I praised getting a good education, like Daniel and Paul received. I think I saw some heads nod on that one. Normally I get gushing comment after gushing comment, no matter what talk I give, because I am regarded as some sort of "future CO." After the meeting, I only got one comment. Everyone else had NOTHING to say to me about my part. They weren't upset. It just seemed as if I had never been up there. I would like no comments from people unless I knock it out of the park, so tonight I got what I wanted. There was only one comment from this brother who was a substitute teacher; not a mover or shaker in the congregation scene. He was very appreciative of my shout out to people who educate others, or those who go out and get a good education. Nothing from the school overseer. Nothing from my parents. I'm thinking that in everyone's mind, it was an anomaly to hear what I had to say, but not threatening. Now, if I were really ballsy, I would say there is nothing wrong with higher education. I'm not THAT crazy. But tonight's test data was encouraging: it's definitely more liberal than other congregations. So where do we go from here? I was expecting a slightly stronger reaction. Next time, I'm gonna rep the Commentary on James, and rock the boat a little more.

I feel like taking a risk on the platform tomorrow night.

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