Thanks all now I'm leaving

by wozadummy 59 Replies latest jw friends

  • Gill
    Gill

    Don't Go!

    I hope one of the things all of us learn once we leave the 'troof' is tolerance! And tolerance runs both ways!

    You are now free to walk away, or not walk away! I hope you'll choose to stay!

    I am most certainly sorry for your past life experiences! ((((((((( wozadummy ))))))))

    Please don't go!

    Take criticism and the occassional nastiness we all experience wherever we go in life 'on the chin'. Ignore it and 'Let it Go!'.

    I hope you stay! You're a valuable member of the forum and I hope you can shrug off any offence that some have chosen to give!

    Gill

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Having now read the relevant posts, I would add the following comments fwiw:

    I have no sympathy for gay-bashing. And in that category I find the so-called "humorous" style even more painful than the "serious" moral-dogmatical one (which at least clearly shows where it speaks from). In any case it is terribly hurtful to people who have suffered for being what they are in a JW environment.

    Otoh I understand that to most recent xJWs (not to mention personal histories such as wad's) homophoby is a solidly entrenched prejudice which is not overcome easily, especially if met by moral judgementalism based on different (contemporary) standards. And educational condescendance makes it unnecessarily worse. But there too we are what we are.

    In any case it is bound to hurt. It cannot help except by hurting. Most of the value of this board comes from people accepting to help each other although hurting each other from time to time.

  • Golf
    Golf

    No need for you to leave. "It takes no brains, no talent and no character to criticize others."


    Golf

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    I have gone back and read the exchange in question. The anti-gay polemic spouted off by WAD was odious, vile and reprehensible. If the target of his vitriol had been ANY other group (visible minorities, the disabled, mentally challenged, etc.) he likely would have had his account suspended. Instead, he posts his vile rant on another thread, gets justiably called out on it by FD, starts a suck-ball, whiner thread about how he is going leave the board in a tearful snit, and this action, by some inexplicable karmic joke, earns him SUPPORT and f**cking cyber-hugs? WTF???? Not only was Funky Dereks response 100% justified, it was stunningly reserved given the degree of intolerance, hate and utter disrespect that this half-wit showed towards gays in general, not to mention the various gay posters within our midst.

    For the sake of perspective, here are some relevant snippets of WAD's diatribe:

    "you know I really like to read posts on different topics without the underlying tone of these posts being from a "gay"perspective."

    Whoopee dee-doo. Is your "hetero" perspective more germane or relevant or "appropriate"?

    " Advertising your sexual inclinations on a primarily Jehovahs Witness discussion forum to me is tasteless and I don't give a shit if it's popular to condascend,fluff up, or pander to the whims of some people thru commenting on how terrible it is to bash verbally "gays".

    What the hell does that mean? A "primarily jehovahs witness discussion forum?" This is a FREE discussion board primarily made up of EX-JWs who come here attempting to escape the mental slavery imposed by the WTS. One can use any perspective one chooses to. There are many gay posters on this board and their perspective is no less deserving of respect than ANYONE elses.

    "If I had a bent for hiding cherbals in my butt and came on here seeking support from all because some dick abused me ,would you all rush to me with sympathetic messages to the same degree I wonder .What if I complained that I was born this way with "cherbal in my butt" fetish ,supposedly caused by my dna and too many fluffy teddies in my crib ,would I get the same response from all here?"

    Yes WAD, all gay people just love hiding "cherbals" up their butts. Is that what you meant you ignorant trogladite? This statement is a telling demonstration of your highly limited cognitive abilities and is to utterly idiotic I can barely find words to respond with.

    "Or am I being labelled now as a poofter basher myself now, well no I should,nt be but that just depends on whether you all consider yourselves as sheep in white and I'm black. That's why I'm saying this coz to follow the popular flow of thinking is weakness as I see it and to pander to someones homosexuallity is just that."

    Ah yes, of course, the old "poofter" label comes out. I wonder, would you feel so free to use equally offensive terms to describe blacks, jews, disabled? I wonder, who is asking you to "pander to someones homosexuality"? I dont see any evidence of that. If you dont like reading about homosexuality, DONT READ ABOUT IT. Following the "popular flow of thinking" is weakness? Well I guess the alternative mode of thinking leads to the "Cherbal up the butt" school of logic, based upon your example.

    "They are not victims but select it by intelligent choice and painting them as a minority is not true is it? So why the great displays of sympathy coz he's "gay"....he or she is human and should be EQUALLY treated as a person not a poor victim."

    > Ironically, the great displays of sympathy towards YOU on this thread are apparently because you are a homophobic, small minded bigot who had the political savvy to start a whiny, snivelling thread whilst threatening to leave the board due to a temper tantrum. Others are free to tolerate hate-speech and beg you to remain here. I'm not one of them.

    " If someone treats a crippled person badly does'nt that just make it a bad event from that other person ,and I would imagine that the crippled person would not want gushings of "oh you poor person " for we see you are a cripple. Some people stand out in this world by CHOICE and others suffer bigotry for being born disabled - now is anyone going now to say coz a "gay" says he's born that way he's a cripple, he could'nt help it?"

    >Just more of your stupid bigotry shining through like a polished turd. Ah yes, homosexuality is comparable to a physical handicap? Where is the logical link here? What does being "crippled" (to use your terminology for a handicapped person) have to do with sexual orientation?

    Whatever the case, your words, quoted verbatim above, speak for themselves. Hasta la vista and please stay out of your local pet-shops, you seem to have a disturbing fascination with small, furry mammals...

  • Sparkplug
    Sparkplug

    Kid~A

    PPSSST...Those were not all Woz's post that FD addressed. Several peeps posted the comments FD addressed,... I believe. I AM NOT agreeing with ANY of those sad comments, nor sticking up for Woz, I just think what he said was bad enough and let the others deal with what people think of their comments and the psych behind them. The dynamics of the written words are just astounding.

  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    wozadummy,

    I've read with interest both threads with no comment. I would like to say a couple of things now.

    First, I am very sorry for the horrible things you went thru as a child. I can understand how as a child...you linked indelibly what happened to you with homosexuals. Now you say you understand that 'just because they were gay' doesn't mean all gay people are 'like that'. I think it's possible you've never had the proper help to deal with the very real horrors of the abuse you received back then.

    Until you mentioned your sexual abuse, I thought your prejudice was the 'normal' religious based type, it still may be. I don't know.

    You said:

    " Advertising your sexual inclinations on a primarily Jehovahs Witness discussion forum to me is tasteless and I don't give a shit if it's popular to condascend,fluff up, or pander to the whims of some people thru commenting on how terrible it is to bash verbally "gays".

    I think discussions about homosexuality IS an appropriate subject "...on a primarily Jehovahs Witness discussion forum...". Why? JW's promised many gays a "cure", if they devoted their lives to the WT. Many gays were DF when they discovered later that that was not true either. Many gays committed suicide in the aftermath of being shunned. Many gay ex-jw's are still experiencing family issues -- over what I think is their nature. Many gay JW's are still hiding.

    It's another burden they may have to deal with, on top of the other issues, all of us Ex-JW's have to live with. So, tell me again how discussing, "...sexual inclinations on a primarily Jehovahs Witness discussion forum to me is tasteless..." ??

    I, too, hope you stay and unlearn some of the misconceptions and hatred you have. If you've never had good counseling to help you deal with your past abuse... I hope you will consider that as a sincere suggestion.

    Sincerely, Rabbit

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    I have something else to say. The people who tend to irritate me the most are the ones who have traits I don't like in myself. They don't have to have traits like me to irritate me. But yeah, I think sometimes when people have knee jerk reactions to others, it's because the others remind them of themselves. Not sayin' that's what's going on here, but it's something to examine about yourself. I knew a brother who had been raped repeatedly by some teenaged boys in his congo. The teenaged boys were never dealt with and grew up to become elders. I knew both the elders. The younger one was bi sexual due to his experiences with the rapes. Not that all victims of same sex rape become gay or bi. It's still something to think about though.

  • MadTiger
    MadTiger

    Cosign Little Toe and Sparkplug

  • skyking
    skyking

    Please stay

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered

    Greetings Woz,

    I hope you stay. If someone or something gets in your way, go around it. If there's a pebble in your shoe, take it off and empty it. If you step in a pile of shit, scrape it off your shoe.

    Dismembered

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