Freedom by the USA Government? (page 3)

Nathan Natas

Frankiespeaking said,

I probably will pay my taxes by force, but I will do so unwillingly,

Spoken like a true spineless freeloading whiner.

Who are you?

If you actually voted, then you would realize how utterly ridiculous being proud of not voting is.
So by voting I would become enlighted? So what happens, does this realization come as soon as I cast my vote or do I have to wait a few months?

It happens immediately, because you go from someone who complains and does nothing to someone who participates in the process.

One lousy stinking vote means more than a gazzilion opinions in cyberspace.
I think there is no way of proving this, how would one measure the results? Isn't it all just your opinion?

I voted against Bush which is a helluva lot more than you did. Elections are decided by counting votes, not blogs.

frankiespeakin

Nat,

Spoken like a true spineless freeloading whiner.

So what do you suggest? Armed revolt?

Anti-Christ

If you actually voted, then you would realize how utterly ridiculous being proud of not voting is.
One lousy stinking vote means more than a gazzilion opinions in cyberspace.

Not voting is part of being in a "free" country, you have the right to vote, the right not to vote and the right to voice your opinion on cyberspace.

I voted for the first time this year, it did feel good but I understand that somebody could be proud of not voting. Having the right to choose a government does not mean you are "free". If a slave gets to choose is master does that make him free?

Nathan Natas

So what do you suggest? Armed revolt?

I suggest you move to the country that meets your ideals.

Anti-Christ

I suggest you move to the country that meets your ideals.

Is there such a place?

Who are you?

I voted for the first time this year, it did feel good but I understand that somebody could be proud of not voting

AC...Like you, I clearly understand that someone could be proud of not voting. My point is that once they go from not voting to voting, they will see how utterly ridiculous it is not to participate in a way that can actually make a difference.

Anti-Christ

O.K. I get what your saying. I not absolutely sure how it works in the U.S.A. but here we have a lot more then just two people or parties we can vote for. I voted for the green party. I thought they had very radical and different ideas.

tetrapod.sapien

interesting topic frankie. and i agree with your summation. sort of depressing, but true enough. i live in the 51st state, canada, and there isn't much difference up here.

people who want change, and are not "spineless" tend to be labeled as criminal terrorists and locked away, while the rest of the crowd who was apathetically shouting "get up and do something! this is democracy" from their SUV windows applaud the fine work of their ~~religion~~ "government".

people seem to have lost sight that they have changed from h.sapiens to h.conumerinsis. human nature now equals production and consumtion, and so the way of life is not questioned by the droves of hive minds. the "voters". riiiiiiight.

further on one of nathan natas' recent thoughts:

I suggest you move to the country that meets your ideals.

you know nathan, i agree with you. i would if i could. a friend and i were talking yesterday about the fact that because we were born on a certain piece of land, we've been basically forced to live with its inhabitants even if they really don't share many key opinions about the world and human life with us. we can go visit other places, but unless one has a lot of money, moving somewhere else is quite difficult. sort of like being born a catholic, or a JW, and having to leave everything so that you can breathe a little more freely (in terms of cultural liberation).

in addition, i find it entertaining that amsterdam is going to be under 3m water because of big industry eventually.

dumb apes raping smart apes because they believe in brute force. passive resistance is viewed as a weakness by these f*ck-heads.

apart from that, how many "countries" on earth meet my "ideals" right now? basically none. left slaving away in a crowd of capatalists, and i'm 30 with no real choice in the matter.

trust me, i would work actively for change if it wouldn't land me in jail. the next thing i know, several big apes, dressed in blue, with guns on their hips and collapsible batons in hand are at my front door ready to file me away with murderers and rapists because i no longer believe in their religion of Having. i mean, i could go through the "officially" set up routes for making change if it weren't a TOTAL JOKE.

a vote is not a choice. a vote is a placebo.

tetra

Who are you?

O.K. I get what your saying. I not absolutely sure how it works in the U.S.A. but here we have a lot more then just two people or parties we can vote for. I voted for the green party. I thought they had very radical and different ideas.

AC...We do also...If you go back to the first Bush election where Gore won the popular vote but Bush won the election, Ralph Nader a 3rd party candidate took votes away from Gore that could have solidified a Democratic victory. The republican party actually ran pro-Nadar ads in closely contested states hoping to pull voters away from Gore.

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