How do you see the world heading if all religion was eliminated?

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  • Guest with Questions
    Guest with Questions

    Hi Serotonin, I did what you suggested and came up with this info. I did not pick and choose certain sites because it favoured my opinion. Can you find sites contrary to what I have found? By the way I am not American.

    http://www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/3447051.html

    The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. For example, among those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89 percent from other religions.

    Some people might object to my conflation here of religious and nonreligious charity. One might argue, for example, that religious charity is more likely to take place for non-altruistic reasons than is nonreligious giving and volunteering: Religious people might give because of social pressure, for personal gain (such as stashing away rewards in Heaven), or to finance the services that they themselves consume, such as sacramental activities. Therefore, disparities in charity might disappear when we only consider explicitly nonreligious giving and volunteering. The sccbs data do not support this hypothesis, however: Religious people are more generous than secular people with nonreligious causes as well as with religious ones. While 68 percent of the total population gives (and 51 percent volunteers) to nonreligious causes each year, religious people are 10 points more likely to give to these causes than secularists (71 percent to 61 percent) and 21 points more likely to volunteer (60 percent to 39 percent). For example, religious people are 7 points more likely than secularists to volunteer for neighborhood and civic groups, 20 points more likely to volunteer to help the poor or elderly, and 26 points more likely to volunteer for school or youth programs. It seems fair to say that religion engenders charity in general —— including nonreligious charity.

    http://misskelly.typepad.com/miss_kelly_/2006/11/who_gives_more_.html

    A recent book by economist Arthur Brookes concludes that "religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income." Makes perfect sense to me, but it's sure to annoy the secular progressives. From Beliefnet: "In the book, he cites extensive data analysis to demonstrate that values advocated by conservatives -- from church attendance and two-parent families to the Protestant work ethic and a distaste for government-funded social services -- make conservatives more generous than liberals.

    http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=4768

    For evidence, one can turn to the 2002 General Social Survey, a large survey of Americans conducted every other year or so by researchers at the University of Chicago. The survey is structured in such a way that it is possible to break down respondents along party and religious lines, as well as gauging their level of compassion (by asking, for example, whether respondents feel "tender, concerned feelings" for the less fortunate - which 72 per cent of Americans say they do).

    According to these data, much conventional wisdom about uncompassionate conservatives is off base. Indeed, conservatives have slightly more compassionate attitudes than liberals; for example, they are three percentage points more likely to say they have tender, concerned feelings for the less fortunate.

    Far more important than politics, however, is religion: people who attend their house of worship nearly every week are 15 points more likely to say they have tender feelings toward the less fortunate than people who never attend worship services (or attend less than once a year). That difference persists even when grouping people by their demographic characteristics, such as age, race, education, sex, marital status, and income.

    As we all know, talk is cheap. So even if religious people say they feel more compassionate, do they also act more compassionately?

    They do. Religious people of all political persuasions are 40 per cent more likely to donate to charities each year than secular people, and more than twice as likely to volunteer. They are also more than three times more likely than secular people to give each month, and three and one-half times as likely to volunteer that often.

    And those religious believers aren't just giving to their churches, either. Research on volunteerism and philanthropy shows clearly that people who give and volunteer for religious organisations are far more likely than others to donate time and money to secular charities as well. For example, a 2000 survey of 30,000 people around the United States shows that religious people are 10 percentage points more likely than secularists to give (and 21 points more likely to volunteer) to explicitly nonreligious causes and charities.

    Perhaps it is unfair to conclude that secular people (even those who feel compassionate) are simply less generous than religious people. Secularists with compassionate sentiments may simply be more likely to favour non-private means to help others - say, by supporting higher taxes to cover government welfare payments. However, the General Social Survey data do not support this idea: In fact, secularists and religious people are equally likely (25 per cent) to state that the government is spending "too little money on welfare".

    So who is more compassionate: the religious right, or the secular left? The answer appears to be the former. The reason for this, however, revolves around religion, not political ideology. The relatively large religious right and fairly small religious left are both far more compassionate than secularists from either political side. The most uncompassionate group of all - in attitudes and behaviours - is a subset of conservatives who are also secularists. Inordinate media attention to this group may help explain why conservatives are often accused of being uncompassionate. But that group is not representative of the broad majority of Republican voters, who are in fact religious.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061120141622AAOYrW1

    Are Religious Conservatives More Generous Than Secular Liberals?

    SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Syracuse University professor Arthur C. Brooks is about to become the darling of the religious right in America -- and it's making him nervous.

    The child of academics, raised in a liberal household and educated in the liberal arts, Brooks has written a book that concludes religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.
    In the book, he cites extensive data analysis to demonstrate that values advocated by conservatives -- from church attendance and two-parent families to the Protestant work ethic and a distaste for government-funded social services -- make conservatives more generous than liberals.

    The book, titled "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism" (Basic Books, $26), is due for release Nov. 24.

    When it comes to helping the needy, Brooks writes: "For too long, liberals have been claiming they are the most virtuous members of America"

    http://www.examiner.com/a-489482~Jonah_Goldberg__Americans_really_do_care_more_than_others.htmlhttp://www.examiner.com/a-489482~Jonah_Goldberg__Americans_really_do_care_more_than_others.html

    The further to the left you are —— particularly to the secular left —— the less likely you are to donate your time or money to charity. Imagine two demographically identical people, except that Joe goes to church regularly and rejects the idea that the government should redistribute wealth to lessen inequality, while Sam never goes to church and favors state-driven income redistribution.

    Brooks says the data indicate that not only is Joe Churchgoer nearly twice as likely as Sam Secularist to give money to charities in a given year, he will also give 100 times more money per year to charities (and 50 times more to nonreligious ones).

    Because Brooks is using vast pools of data, and because he’’s talking about averages rather than individuals, there is no end of exceptions to prove the rule. No doubt there are pious Scrooges and Santa-like atheists. But basically, if you are religiously observant, a married parent and skeptical toward the role of government, you are much more likely to be generous with your time and money.

    http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/business/story.html?id=3af0092c-f684-4ea8-86cb-479d7aa1a7d0&k=81082

    Americans give US$900 per person to charitable causes each year, while in Canada, the average is $400. In Quebec, the average is $176, the lowest amount of any province or territory.

    In his new book Who Cares: America's Charity Divide -- Who Gives, Who Doesn't, and Why it Matters, economist Arthur C. Brooks compares the United States to western European nations and finds Americans give on average 14 times more than Italians, seven times more than Europeans and 3 1/2 times more than the French. "There is a view [in Europe] that if something is truly important, then government should be doing it and that discharges my duty to privately help others," says Mr. Brooks. "Maybe this explains something in Canada as well."

    http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp

    As an aside, it should be emphasized that the above figures are comparing government spending. Such spending has been agreed at international level and is spread over a number of priorities.

    Individual/private donations may be targeted in many ways. However, even though the charts above do show US aid to be poor (in percentage terms) compared to the rest, the generosity of the American people is far more impressive than their government. Private aid/donation has been through charity of individual people and organizations though this of course can be weighted to certain interests and areas. Nonetheless, it is interesting to note for example, per latest estimates, Americans privately give at least $34 billion overseas——more than twice the US official foreign aid of $15 billion at that time:

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    There are certainly other factors to consider when conducting these surveys, as this website demonstrates-

    http://www.vexen.co.uk/countries/charity.html

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    How do you see the world heading if all religion was eliminated?

    People would find something else to squabble over, be discriminatory about or abuse their power with. Nothing would change.

  • Guest with Questions
    Guest with Questions

    serotonin: I don't put too much stock in one satanists website. My sources seem to be a bit more reliable to me. The following site is from the World Watch Institute.

    http://www.worldwatch.org/node/4319

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    The world?

    I don't know.

    But; if there were no WT, I might be able to have a family reunion at my place this year, while my mother is still with us.

  • Handsome Dan
    Handsome Dan

    An increase at the unemployment line including the pope ........ all right stop it your just being silly .......ok sheeesh

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    Satanist? Please don't say you still believe the UN is the great whore of Babylon! Your latest statistics were already answered in the site I gave.

    On this scale, Americans look angelic, giving twice as much as Britons or Canadians. By comparing aid as a fraction of Gross National Income (GNI) as the studies on this page has done, you combine the generosity of the government and individuals. Europeans pay higher taxes to their governments, who in turn operate as welfare states, doing much charitable work 2 . For this reason, European governments always appear more generous in league tables compared to American governments, which is decidedly not a welfare state.

    The point is, there are many factors to consider in how aid is given. Aid with a 'pricetag', aid given to ones own country, etc.

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    I too agree that it would be like the John Lennon song.

  • zack
    zack

    Ahh yes.... eliminate religion first. Then the lawyers. Ahh... paradise..

  • Guest with Questions
    Guest with Questions
    Satanist? Please don't say you still believe the UN is the great whore of Babylon! Your latest statistics were already answered in the site I gave.

    Serotonin: I don't believe that the UN is the great whore of Babylon. I have never been and never will be a witness. That is their belief.

    I was talking about the author of the site -"Charity across the World" by Vexen Crabtree. Click on his name and scroll down and it will tell you who Vexen is. He is the Satanist.

    Obviously I overlooked where the data came from. By the same token you originally seemed to overlook evidence on that site that states that the American people (not the Govt) do donate more than the European people. The European Govt’s gives more than the American Govt. To me that is very different. Because the European Govt gives more overall doesn’t make the individual European more generous. I’m not bashing Europeans. I was born there. I am not an American as I’ve stated but I do have two brothers in Texas. I still maintain that as a whole the American people are the most generous apart from the Govt. So in a sense we were both right and wrong.

    This is the whole quote:

    Comparing USA aid to that of European countries is not in itself a simple task. The American people are actually no less generous than those of other developed countries. By comparing aid as a percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) you measure the amount of aid that is given by individuals. On this scale, Americans look angelic, giving twice as much as Britons or Canadians. By comparing aid as a fraction of Gross National Income (GNI) as the studies on this page has done, you combine the generosity of the government and individuals.Europeans pay higher taxes to their governments, who in turn operate as welfare states, doing much charitable work

    For this reason, European governments always appear more generous in league tables compared to American governments, which is decidedly not a welfare state.

    American citizens give no less than others, according to The Economist, "the extra percentage point of its GDP that individuals deposit in rattling tins hardly reflects the much lighter taxes they pay" American citizens give more, but the government does so much less that the country as a whole looks miserly. It would not be right to blame the citizens for this, but the lack of a socially-minded government.

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