The Origin of Fear

by purplesofa 53 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  JamesThomas

  5go:

  Suck to be a cynic some days but this sounds so religious. There are no secrets to life. Stay away from people that say so.

  This guy credits things to the ego which really go to the super ego and the id.

  Planning for the future real or not is delutional but, nessesary.

  After what most of us have been through here, it is healthy to be cynical.

  Eckhart does not offer a new religion or belief system; rather he simply helps those who want help to see how the movement of the mind can create counterfeit beliefs of "self" and "other". Rather than being religious it is far more akin to radical-realism.

  To imply that Eckhart suggests to not plan for the future, from what I can see, is a less than a coherent interpretation of his message. It's more about not making a delusional future into our "reality".

  j
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  purplesofa

  Do you find this frightening? Or is it a relief to know this? All of these things you will have to relinquish sooner or later. Perhaps you find it as yet hard to believe, and I am certainly not asking you to believe that your identity cannot be found in any of those things. You will know the truth of it for yourself. You will know it at the latest when you feel death approaching. Death is stipping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to "die before you die"-- and find that there is no death.

  What Tolle is bringing out here is right before death is when you will experiance the raw you, stripped of all the facades. What job you have, how much money you have, where you live, who you married, what religion you are, even how people percieved you, all the things he mentions, all those barriers will be down and the honest true you, the self, the being is what you will experiance. Have you noticed that when some people die they are at peace? They are at one with everything at that time. Truely with the inner self.

  So when he says "die before you die" I think he is expressing that we can experiance that way before death. Then there actually is no fear of death.

  purps

  edited to add: 5go, I suggest you read the book to understand and get the big picture of what Tolle is saying
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  poppers

  And thanks go to purps for putting this thread out.
  
  "So when he says "die before you die" I think he is expressing that we can experiance that way before death. Then there actually is no fear of death."
  
  Yes. What is acually found is not that something "dies" but that the one you took yourself to be, the "idea of me" is only a bundle of thought that is identified with. It was never "you" to begin with.
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  Narkissos

  It is quite ironic that the essence of this stuff is found in most religious traditions, including Christianity (as the Christian mystics did not miss) yet it is lost under a mountain of dogmatic beliefs, ritual practices and moral precepts which are the sum of religion to the majority.

  It is also ironic (to me) that so often this deconstruction of identity is immediately reconstructed as another identity or supra-identity ("true Self," "true I," "true Consciousness" -- insert your own favourite capitalised substitute for "God" or "Christ" or "Buddha").

  Whatever, I hold "this" to be potentially both helpful and harmful. A remedy and a poison that I would definitely not recommend to everybody, only to people whom I feel need it. Btw I suspect that anyone who does need it will find it when s/he really needs it, with, without or in spite of what I may say about it. The only value of hinting to "it," imo, is to help people who get "there" know (or believe?) that they are not crazy -- or that they are not the only crazy ones...
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  frankiespeakin

  Pop,

  So when he says "die before you die" I think he is expressing that we can experiance that way before death. Then there actually is no fear of death."
  .....Yes. What is acually found is not that something "dies" but that the one you took yourself to be, the "idea of me" is only a bundle of thought that is identified with. It was never "you" to begin with.

  Ego death. I think is a very profound experience. Did you know that if they give a large dose of magic mushroom(enough to cause ego death) to the terminally ill, it takes thier fear of death away, they even experience better pain management.
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  5go

  A remedy and a poison that I would definitely not recommend to everybody, only to people whom I feel need it.

  Technicaly there is no difrence between a poison and a medicine they are the same chemicaly it is taking said poison at the right time and quanity that separates the two from each other.
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  purplesofa

  Btw I suspect that anyone who does need it will find it when s/he really needs it, with, without or in spite of what I may say about it. The only value of hinting to "it," imo, is to help people who get "there" know (or believe?) that they are not crazy -- or that they are not the only crazy ones...

  Nark, I understand.

  Ego death. I think is a very profound experience.

  frankie Have you experianced it?

  Did you know that if they give a large dose of magic mushroom(enough to cause ego death) to the terminally ill, it takes thier fear of death away, they even experience better pain management.

  Interesting, I think I would like to experiance this, esp when I am pmsing!!!

  JamesThomas thanks for posting link, Will watch tonight when I get home from work

  purps
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  purplesofa

  It is quite ironic that the essence of this stuff is found in most religious traditions, including Christianity (as the Christian mystics did not miss) yet it is lost under a mountain of dogmatic beliefs, ritual practices and moral precepts which are the sum of religion to the majority.

  good point, Nark

  great thread peeps, thanks
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  frankiespeakin

  Purps,

  Yes, a couple of times.
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  purplesofa

  Purps,

  Yes, a couple of times.

  Would you compare it to being humble?

  purps