Musical Dishonesty - What next? (page 6)

restrangled

My god this is insanely good, ....real music, real musicians, real talent.........Cream in 2005 at Albert Hall in England.

No need for electronic fixes........

r.

hillary_step

Okay, okay. I admit that I may be wrong about Auto-Tune. I have just been searching for information on the Internet and found this :

Melody Maker. London 26th October 2006. Richard Williams reporting:
Many fans around the world were surprised to hear that performance artists including Pavarotti, The Vienna Symphony Orchestra, Klaus Doldinger, Dolly Parton and Cliff Richards have availed of a musical technology known as Auto-Tune.
Auto-tune software, introduced by Anatares, a US based Company, is rapidly set to become the industry standard for automatically adjusting and correcting the pitch either in studio recordings, or live performances, of notes or vocals that are not in tune.
Pavarroti at first denied that he had ever used this techonology but admitted that sometimes when he was sufffering from a sore throat, or if he had eaten too much pasta the night before and was feeling unwell, Auto-Tune allowed for a note perfect performance. "This is really an act of kindess to the many people who have travelled to see me and would otherwise be faced with a lack-lustre performance on my part", he said with a wink.
Similarly, a spokesperson for the Vienna Symphony Orchestra defended Auto-Tune, noting that its use in the Orchestra is for emergency situations only, for example, if the First Violin has severed his fretting finger while carving the Sunday beef, or the percussionist got his willie caught in the Triangle while recording.
Klaus Doldinger, known for his ability to play long and perfectly held pitched 'sheets of sound' on his tenor saxaphone defended its use as a useful studio tool. Speaking from his Hamburg studio Doldinger, who won an Oscar for his music film track of "Das Boot", denied using Auto-Tune in live performances but confirmed that he had used it in the studio when press of work made it justifiable. "I can start playing a note then leave my saxophone on its stand, get some banking done, feed the dogs and return to the studio where my engineer has stretched the note and made it pitch perfect. What is bad about that?"
Cliff Richards was not available for comment, though a spokesman informed us that, "Cliff loves it! He says that by using it he can sing like s**t and sound like God'.

purplesofa

I can start playing a note then leave my saxophone on its stand, get some banking done, feed the dogs and return to the studio where my engineer has stretched the note and made it pitch perfect. What is bad about that?"

a man that can multi-task..........brilliant

restrangled

He says that by using it he can sing like s**t and sound like God'.

Here in lies the problem....we can all sing like shit, and all would love to sound like god. Either some one has it or they don't. Why should I pay to hear anyone who sounds like me?

r.

Leolaia

No comments on my suggestion for pedagogical use?

tijkmo

i suspect that the melody maker article is in fact sarcasm but....

when i was doing some recording recently i decided to introduce some cello playing into a few songs.

i arranged for a cellist to come to the studio and we spent a couple of days recording her parts..she spent a good deal of time making sure the cello was in tune obviously and we recorded and re-recorded any parts where the speed or pitch made the cello appear out of tune..now she didn't own a hugely expensive cello, and i couldn't afford her any more than a couple of days, but when we came to mix the songs the cello was so out of tune with the rest of the instruments that we had decided that we would have to scrap it all....

and then i said how about using autotune on it...

voila...an in tune cello

just saying...

exwitless

No comments on my suggestion for pedagogical use?

Yes, I absolutely think using something like autotune for teaching purposes would be helpful for many people learning to sing (although this is not the subject of debate on this thread). Even without having something like autotune, the tool of simple recording is enormously helpful. Although it is a punch in the gut to one's opinion of their own singing, speaking from personal experience, the teaching value of hearing one's own voice from a recording is immesurable. Having Autotune might be useful for those who can't seem to correct his/her own pitch alone.

hillary_step

Leolaia,

I wonder if Auto-tune might have a legitimate use as a pedagogical instrument, to help young or inexperienced singers learn how to sing in tune by first recording themselves sing, correcting it with Auto-tune, and then play back the recording as a target to sing to. It's your own voice you're hearing, so I wonder if that might have an advantage in teaching what correct tune is supposed to sound like....for those who are basically bad singers. (I am definitely!)

I certainly think that it would have its uses in such a venue Leolaia, as it would teach note indentification and also focus issues with the timbre of the voice in question.

My own feeling is that there is no substitute for the tried and tested methods of learning music. What you need is a music teacher that hates teaching, and despises children, lots of whiskey and a cane. This is the soil that genius is grown from.

HS

kazar

I'm not familiar with auto-tone. It may be useful in some instances but I prefer to hear some mistakes in live music than perfect music. Lets me know it's really a person playing or singing. Auto-tone seems to be more of the automated world we live in which excludes mistakes - which are human. An analogy could be used that it's like painting by numbers in the visual arts....nothing outside the lines -- no color experimentation, etc. .

hillary_step

tijkmo,

i arranged for a cellist to come to the studio and we spent a couple of days recording her parts..she spent a good deal of time making sure the cello was in tune obviously and we recorded and re-recorded any parts where the speed or pitch made the cello appear out of tune..now she didn't own a hugely expensive cello, and i couldn't afford her any more than a couple of days, but when we came to mix the songs the cello was so out of tune with the rest of the instruments that we had decided that we would have to scrap it all....

Try Geoff Richardson, he will save you a lot of money in the long run. Seriously. You might find that professional, experienced musicians are not beyond the budget, they are often cheaper than you think. They do what they do quickly. What you pay two days for in one person might even be layed down in one morning and their names often are the catalyst which gets the CD selling.

i suspect that the melody maker article is in fact sarcasm

Yes, just my twisted sense of humor.

HS

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