by hillary_step 82 Replies latest social entertainment
No comments on my suggestion for pedagogical use?
Actually, there is at least one product on the market that trains vocals with tuning software. I can't remember the name of it at the moment. Basically, it is a CD and mic that you use with the computer. You sing along to the music and you can see, in real time, where your pitch is compared to the note you are supossed to be singing. The idea, is that you can train yourself to hit the notes. I have no idea if it actually works though.
Having been one of those horrible drummers from a bygone era, I knew people that were "taught" and could play figure eights around me at light speed but there were times that I was somehow preferred because of my "feel" for playing. Not that I agreed with the opinions but that's how it sometimes went. It was mentioned earlier about a drummer's fluid style and I've seen myself on film/tape and I look quite fluid in motion. Sound might be crap but it's fluid!
On perfection: I remember a guitar player one time going over and over an intro trying to get this little off note down cold. I mentioned to him something I read about BB King (I think it was). He had said something to the effect of "Now THAT's flattery when they even copy your mistakes!" I rather like hearing the pros screw up now and then. It gives me hope.
Was Bill Bruford a good drummer?
nvrgnbk,
Was Bill Bruford a good drummer?
Not just good imho. Extraordinary. He played with Larry Corryell for a season a few years ago and managed to put up with his 'very uninteresting' guitar playing without killing himself.
HS
nvrgnbk,
Was Bill Bruford a good drummer?Not just good imho. Extraordinary. He played with Larry Corryell for a season a few years ago and managed to put up with his 'very uninteresting' guitar playing without killing himself. HS
Can I hug you hillary_step? LOL!
Yes and King Crimson fan here,
Nvr
Seems to me that not all music has to be performed live. In fact, I wish much of it wasn't!
A perfect studio recording and a great live performance are two different animals.
The Beatles with George Martin was a whole nuther world from Shea Stadium Beatles.
Music as an art form is divergent and has room for a lot of tools.
A musical instrument is just a tool, after all.
Adjusting a vocal to put it on pitch and tuning your guitar to place the tone square on aren't that much different are they?
The crime would be not knowing it was off and leaving it that way.
Even pencils have erasers.
Much of classical music has been made worth listening to on CD by engineers who compensate for the odd clam here and there. Should we all have to endure the B natural that was meant to be flat?
Removing a cough or prolonging a sustain is but adding a brush stroke to a canvas.
On the other hand, I don't think any of us wish to experience a Milli-Vanilli.
Parliament-Funkadelic and progressive rock are what got me started.
You might find that professional, experienced musicians are not beyond the budget, they are often cheaper than you think. They do what they do quickly.
yes i think you have a point there.
HS-
If you are looking for the names of these engineers, please let me know and I will contact you off-line. You need to accept that such people exist regardless of the fact that it punches holes in your concepts.
No thanks, that won't be necessary. Nowhere have I denied that people of this viewpoint exist. And, the fact that they do does not 'punch holes in my theory'. It simply means that they (like yourself) have a different opinion than myself. Why do feel this is a 'ridiculous assertion'?
Since this is an ideological debate we are engaged in, it's strange to me that you keep offering 'evidence' to prove your point. This isn't science, just peoples opinions on the use of Auto-Tune.
The use of such deception is neither good for the art, or good for the industry in the long term, even a Spice Girl knows this....lol.
As I mentioned before (and you have yet to aknowledge) not all music is meant to be art. It often aspires to be nothing more than entertainment.
Why you feel all music should live up to your elitist standards is a mystery to me. Do you demand the same 'honesty' from all arts & entertainment?
I suppose you asked for your money back after seeing Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? After all, the actors weren't really capable of flying around on their own, but used wires to fake it. Dishonest!
Terry-
Thanks for bringing your (as usual)informed and balanced opinion to this thread.
Sixxxy,
Fair enough. I have a busy week ahead and we must agree to disagree on this subject.
I will make just one last comment which has raised a new issue and which I feel that I can answer briefly.
Why you feel all music should live up to your elitist standards is a mystery to me. Do you demand the same 'honesty' from all arts & entertainment?
Yes, frankly I do demand the same honesty from all arts and entertainment, and please note this, which presents itself as being outside the amateur domain.
I expect a professional musician to be able to sing, play and perform in tune without the aid of technology, or if the work does not require such exacting standards, that work to be presented honestly. An opera singer for example must always sing tone perfect, a Mississipi blues guitarist does not need too if we can read the soul. That is what I pay for. I hold the artist whose sole job of employment is to paint to a more exacting standard than I would a 'Sunday' painter. Refer to my illustration about the computer enhanced Renoir.
The entertainment industry (and I use a broad sweep here) has in the past couple of decades collapsed into a state of medocrity imho and perhaps an injection of elitism would be a positive thing, not something to be sneered at. The line between the professional and amateur are being confused ny technology and not talent.
Anyway, we all know Terry has auto-tune scotch-taped into his piano.
Thank you all for your comments, especially Sixxxyyy, who always puts on a good show.
HS
