Musical Dishonesty - What next?

by hillary_step 82 Replies latest social entertainment

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    You mean *gulp* there is actually dishonesty in music? Who would have figured?

    Warlock

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    "But i could've told you, Vincent hillary_step,

    This world was never meant for one as beautiful as you."

    Well stated comments on the music world in general hillary_step.

    Open Mind

  • Little Drummer Boy
    Little Drummer Boy
    The entertainment industry (and I use a broad sweep here) has in the past couple of decades collapsed into a state of medocrity imho and perhaps an injection of elitism would be a positive thing, not something to be sneered at. The line between the professional and amateur are being confused ny technology and not talent.

    I would go even farther and be even harsher in my assesment.

    As an example....

    (Begin Rant)

    Months ago there was a thread about music or bands, or whatever. I can't remember at the moment. I do remember though that I posted my observations of the downfall of the heavy metal genre that I (and many others) feel happened in the earl '90s. Now, I know that heavy metal is not respected as a musical art form by many people, but I would suggest that if a person thinks that way, they just haven't heard the right metal bands. But I digress.

    The point I made in that other thread is that somewhere along the line, bands like Nirvana came along and killed the metal that came before. No matter what anybody wants to say about how great Nirvana was or how inventive they were, or ground breaking (oh, puhlease) or "kewl" or whatever, the fact remains that as musicians they weren't all that great. They really weren't Sorry. But somehow, magically, that style of music became acceptable. It became the standard for metal. It was then OK for any jackass to go out and pick up a Fender Strat at a pawn shop, smack away on it, and make a million bucks. I wanted to vomit for the sheer tragedy of it all.

    Where had my dueling lead guitars from the height of metal gone (think Iron Maiden)? My long haired singers who could hit and sustain notes as high and pure as any opera diva (think Queensryche or Judas Priest)?

    Oh sure, those bands (and others) were and are still around. But they no longer got radio air time. They were ignored by many. Even though they were absolute masters of their chosen genre of music, they were supplanted by bands who should never have been allowed to set foot in a recording studio.

    Where was my music, as complex and beautiful as anything the masters ever composed for an orchestra?

    It was gone. Under the barage of crap that we now call "grunge metal". And as a musician (with at least a little skill, if I may be so bold to say so myself), I died inside a bit.

    (End Rant)

    I agree with HS to a great degree on this subject.

    It is fine for a garage band who plays the local bars on the weekends to be just what they are...amateurs. That's fine. I know from personal experience how hard it is to have a day job and try to be in a band. It is rough.

    However, if you go pro though, and make it your full time job to be a musician, you have to be held to a higher standard.

    ps, I don't wanna hear from the Nirvana lovers out there. ;)

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk
  • Little Drummer Boy
    Little Drummer Boy

    Thanks nvr!

    I see Your Black Sabbath and raise you an Iron Maiden Stranger in a Strange Land

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aujn7mP_5uI

  • Little Drummer Boy
    Little Drummer Boy

    Oh, for those of you that want to see what a drummer looks like when he is pushing beyond his ability, watch this....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPuffEMDal0

    I was looking for actual Queensryche video when I found this guy trying to drum to Eyes of a Stranger.

    You'll notice that there are a lot of positive comments to the video. I don't agree with them.

    If you ask, I'll tell you what's wrong after a bit if you want.

    Ok...compare to this one

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bil4qFHJ7uw

    Although he could benefit from some grip tape or drum gloves at about 4:30 in the song. Heh... God I hate when that happens...

    And here's how it actually should sound...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=459DlYP6Ffg

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Thanks for the Iron Maiden LDB!

    Like a little of Pink Floyd's Meddle?

    Too tripped out?

  • Little Drummer Boy
    Little Drummer Boy

    Hi nvr,

    While I can appreciate Floyd and I think they have made some great stuff, they aren't my favorite by any means.

    Although I would say The Wall is my favorite from them. I can't get enough of the...and forgive me for this, I'm a drummer and I don't know the best term...the "funky" guitar on that album.

    I have in mind (hum along in your head here)

    "We don't need no education..."

    (guitar): waaaaanga wanga wanga wang wang waaaaanga wanga wanga wang wang

    "No dark sarcasm in the classroom"

    (guitar): waaaaanga wanga wanga wang wang waaaaanga wanga wanga wang wang

    Ok, now that I have embarassed myself....

    I really like that sound from them.

    The guy from Dire Staits kinda has a similar sound. Sultans of Swing is one of my all time favorites.

    My music of choice though is thoughtful, well done heavy metal. I don't care so much for stuff that glorifies sex or drugs. For instance, I despise the band W.A.S.P. That's why I like bands like Iron Maiden. They usually deal with fantasy or story type material. Not always, but mostly. Hated their first singer though. Bruce is the man!

    I want to take this opportunity to appologize to HS for hijacking the thread also.

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk
  • Little Drummer Boy
    Little Drummer Boy

    Actually, I'm really glad you brought them up.

    I had forgotten them.

    I like this track also...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCZMqx3PdFY

    I do like their sound. They have most all of the base elements that makes good heavy metal to me. From what I can tell, some people don't like the singer's voice, but I find it to be well supported. Although his range is very high, he hits it well without the screaming that is quite common with many singers. Guitars are great.

    One gripe I have with the new bands (including this one) is that the drummers tend to take minimalism a little too far sometimes. If I wasn't a drummer it might not stick out to me. I think he could be more creative and I think a lot of it has to do with the size of kit he has. Just a tad too much of the "smash the cymbals endlessly because I don't have enough toms to do fills" syndrom. Just a matter of personal taste though because he is very good.

    ttyl

    Ah crap, bed time. Gotta go.

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