Wow, sounds like a bunch of us are about to be Left Behind, or thrown into HELL, or Armegeddonized in some fashion depending on one's interpretation of holy writ. That sucks
Will this be "the Sign of the Son of Man"?
by a Christian 78 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Leolaia
Get ready for Heaven's Gate redux in twenty years.
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OBVES
To decode the signs of the coming end one must have a timeline first ! There were always wars and pestilences on earth . How can we know that solar eclipse August 11,1999 AD and lunar eclipse January,21 ,2000 AD were the signs of the coming end ? There were hundreds of solar and lunar eclipses before ! The same applies to wars !
That is why we must establish timeframe and work on it and place the signs .
The timeframe-the best in my view- is : 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 1999 AD - 2011 AD. The Book of Revelation can be divided into two equal parts :
chapters 1-11 : 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD +
chapters 12-22 : 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD +
Matthew 24 .3-28 best fits the period 1914 AD - 1999 AD.
The Spiritual Tribulation lasting 15 years: 1984 AD -1999 AD ( + extra 30 years : 1914 AD - 1944 AD ) ended in 1999 AD.
Matthew 24.29 followed as we had solar and lunar eclipses within 154 days ! The 154-day period comes from calculations I presented on some usenet groups. The gap is very important to identify both phenomena as the signs of the end-time era.
The sun and moon may not shine as we see but stars cannot fall literally to the earth . So ,we look for another explanation to the falling stars .
Christ is called the Morning Star . I have established in the end-time era that one year can be added to the timeline : 1879 AD - 2011 AD at both ends as Christ is the beginning and the end.
We put one year for Christ each time:
1878 AD - 1879 AD and 2011 AD - 2012 AD
The 12 stars falling are for the 12 years passing by .
2000 AD ( fall ) + 12 stars falling lead to the year 2011 AD.
In 2011 AD in the fall Matthew 24.30-31 should be fulfilled.
Once we know the timeframe it is easy to identify both world wars of 1914 AD - 1919 AD and 1938 AD-1944 AD as the signs that fit the two seals : no 2 and no 4 in Revelation 6.3-4 and 6.7-8.
The world depression of 1929 AD - 1933 AD comes under Revelation 6.5-6.
We take the periods of these three catastrophies and superimpose on the Spiritual Tribulation of 1984 AD - 1999 AD:
We have 5 years,4 years and 6 years respectively.
1914 AD-1919 AD = 5 years 1929 AD-1933 AD = 4 years 1938 AD - 1944 AD = 6 years
5+4+6=15 years : 1984 AD - 1990 AD - 1994 AD - 1999 AD which is 6+4+5 = 15 years
Note : 1944 AD -1945 AD = one extra year can be considered too. 1914 AD -1945 AD = 31 years
31 years + 15 years = 46 years
This stands for :
1513 BC - 1467 BC = 46 years when Israel was liberated in Egypt and went through the period of great tribulations of 46 years.
1512 BC - 1467 BC = 45 years if we consider 30 years + 15 years = 45 years
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a Christian
OBVES,
You sure know how to kill a thread.
Your crazy chronology and nutty number crunching amounts to nothing more than a pile of rubbish stacked upon a foundation of garbage! Your 1914 and 1513 BC dates are totally discredited Watchtower Society creations. Since the rest of your fanciful interpretations of scripture are the fruit of that rotten tree they could not possibly be correct, even if they were reasonable, which they are not.
For God's sake man, get some psychiatric help!
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Narkissos
Lol. (Cf. my first post on this thread.)
Btw, a Christian, what makes you believe that the numbers "29" and "36" (as in 2029 and 2036) are significant, apart from Watchtower chronology?
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Leolaia
This is an edit of my opening post, eliminating my mention of "Good Friday" since I discovered that reference to be in error.
Oh that sucks, that kinda ruins some of the symmetry.
It was kinda cool for a 7 year period between the same calender dates (April 13, 2029 and April 13, 2036) to start on Good Friday and end on Easter. Crap.
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a Christian
Nark,
You asked: what makes you believe that the numbers "29" and "36" (as in 2029 and 2036) are significant, apart from Watchtower chronology?
All dates which the Watchtower assigns to events in Old Testament history prior to the destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon are, of course, incorrectly set since they are all set by simply counting back in time from their incorrect "607 B.C.E." for that event. As we know, Jerusalem was destroyed in 587, not in 607.
From that time forward the Watchtower does a decent, but not great, job assigning B.C.E. and A.D. dates to events recorded in scripture. (For instance, the dates they assign to the reign of Artaxerxes and to the birth of Christ are widely understood to be in error.) However, the dates they assign to the baptisms of both Jesus and Cornelius are not their own creations. Neither are they often disputed.
That Christ began his ministry in the year A.D. 29 is generally (though not universally) accepted as accurate by New Testament historians. See, for instance, Handbook of Biblical Chronology by Jack Finegan - 1998, pg 366. "The fifteenth year of Tiberius (Luke 3:1) was equivalent to A.D. 29, with the beginning of the public work of Jesus in the autumn of A.D. 29."
The Watchtower assigns the date A.D. 36 to the baptism of Cornelius (Acts 10) by accepting a somewhat common understanding of Daniel's "Seventy Weeks" prophecy. (Daniel 9:24-27) That understanding basically says that the seventieth week of those seventy weeks was a seven year period which began in the autumn of A.D. 29. It says that Christ would begin his ministry at the beginning of that week, that he would be put to death in the middle of that week, in the spring of A.D. 33, and that God would "confirm a covenant with many" by pouring out his Holy Spirit on people in "many" nations at the end of that week, in the autumn of A.D. 36.
On all of this I basically agree with the Watchtower Society, or should I say with E.W. Hengstenberg since the Watchtower Society's interpretation of Daniel's "Seventy Weeks" prophecy was taken lock, stock, and barrel from his Christology of the Old Testament, originally published in 1828. However, Hengstenberg and the Watchtower are both wrong in their dating of the reign of Artaxerxes, from which they begin to count Daniel's "Seventy Weeks." But that is another story.
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a Christian
Leolaia,
You wrote: It was kinda cool for a 7 year period between the same calender dates (April 13, 2029 and April 13, 2036) to start on a Good Friday and end on Easter. Crap.
Tell me about it. : ( I too was disappointed to find that what I read on the Good Friday date was not correct. Oh well. Still, a period of exactly "seven years" ending on Easter Sunday seems like something right out of one of those "Left Behind" novels. Or so I hear, since I have never really read one.
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funkyderek
a Christian:
OBVES,
You sure know how to kill a thread.
Your crazy chronology and nutty number crunching amounts to nothing more than a pile of rubbish stacked upon a foundation of garbage! Your 1914 and 1513 BC dates are totally discredited Watchtower Society creations. Since the rest of your fanciful interpretations of scripture are the fruit of that rotten tree they could not possibly be correct, even if they were reasonable, which they are not.
For God's sake man, get some psychiatric help!
Oh, the irony!