President Obama and a Democrat Congress Will....

owenfieldreams

1) Raise taxes, and not just capital gains. Income taxes will be raised as well. And if you make more than $200k/yr, you are "rich", and defined as such you will get SOAKED; thus, you will have little incentive to keep earning what you do now,--the opportunity to make a nice profit will simply not be there....And all of us working stiffs fortunate enough to make over $50 k/ yr, you better hold on to your wallets as well... we are going to pay for the social security bailout

2) Nationalize health insurance. We're going to cover EVERYONE, including illegals/immigrants--guess who's going to pay for it? Remember, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Someone has to pay...It ain't gonna be the super rich, and the poor certainly cannot pay for it. Yup, you're right--those of us in the middle, working class will be footing the bill

3) Draw down troops and eventually withdraw from all military involvement in the Middle East. The mullahs in Iran are counting the days....They love Obama!

4) pass the "card check" unionization bill--no more secret ballot, as has always been the case up till now in votes, union thugs will be able to intimidate and coerce people into voting for union representation because now they will know which workers are not on the 'list', and thus they can apply pressure and coercion tactics.

5) Want to 'engage' and talk with countries and leaders that openly hate us and show us no respect, like Hugo Chavez, Amejinad(sp?) in Iran, Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, Bashar Assad in Syria, etc..etc...Bottom line, if he's a dictator, Obama wants to talk, make nice, and negotiate with you.

6) grow government and the welfare state to a size that cannot be even imagined right now. Bush as a republican did a bad enough job enlarging the size of our federal government, under Obama it will exponentially get even bigger.

7)pass more regulation and red tape to hamstring business in the name of 'helping the workers'--which in turn will only drive away investment and jobs...

Get ready, America, for the first(I'm sorry, the SECOND) black president of the United States.....

Gopher

As far as taxes, what I have seen in the past 25 years is that the so-called conservative Republicans are not really conservative. We saw a huge growth of the federal government during the Reagan administration, when he promised just the opposite.

The Republicans and Democrats both will spend our money in big ways. The difference is, the Republicans seem to not pay for the spending, getting our nation into debt. That bird will come home to roost sometime. The Democrats are more on a pay-as-you-go basis. That's a big factor in the elimination of the annual deficit that occurred during the Clinton administration.

As to your point 3 about Obama being the Iranians' best friend: No really, it was the Bush administration that was their best friend. By going in and weakening Iraq, the USA tipped the balance of power Iran's way. That horse has already left the barn, and now America is spinning its wheels in the quagmire that is Iraq. There is no more progress being made toward a permanent political solution now than there was 5 years ago. America is mortgaging its future spending billions a month in Iraq, money which could really be used to strenghthen America in so many ways (development of renewal energy sources is just one of many examples).

As to your point 5 about negotiation, from what I've seen you'd better get your enemies to the negotiating table. All the peace treaties that ever occurred was from enemies coming together and finding ways to compromise. The national security advisor to presidents Ford and Bush 41 was Brent Scowcroft, and he knows a thing or two about international relations. He totally agrees with Obama's idea to get our enemies to the table. Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/28/brent-scowcroft-echoes-ob_n_99026.html

owenfieldreams

Gopher,

you basically restated all of what I said Obama would do. Thanks for the emphasis...Lol--with one exception. You are incorrect in the views that the Iranians and other dictators around the world have in our political process. By and large, most of them heavily favor the democratic nominee over a republican one. Wonder why that could be? Hmmm.....

Gopher

Thanks for not addressing any of my specifics. OK -- I'll boil it down to just one point, and see if you will give me a reasoned response. (I'm willing to listen and learn from different viewpoints, believe me.)

Do you want America to continue its policy of isolating the bad guys? Even Reagan kept the Soviets at the negotiating table. Brent Scowcroft says America would be better off if we kept an eye on the bad guys - at the negotiating table. What makes you think Scowcroft is wrong? What recent historical success can you cite that resulted from refusing to bring our enemies to the table?

FlyingHighNow

Nationalize health insurance. We're going to cover EVERYONE, including illegals/immigrants--guess who's going to pay for it?

No, this isn't true. He does not plan to cover everyone with healthcare. Go read his plan again. And hey, you're right, there is no free lunch. A country such as the USA who is unconcerned with the health and welfare of each of its citizens will pay dearly for the deplorable lack of planning. Individuals and families with no insurance can go from no debt to owing thousands upon thousands in less than a week from one serious illness or accidental injury. Who do you think pays the bills then?

America is unhealthy. How smart is this? One of the reasons military coups are so easily accomplished in third world countries is because the citizens are so weak and ill with tropical diseases such a malaria that they cannot launch a defense. Wake up. America grows sicker all the time. The sicker she gets, the more of a sitting duck she is.

Oh and who's going to pay for the Iraq war?

What-A-Coincidence

The TRILATERAL COMMISION is the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES ... you think ONE MAN has ALL THE POWER???

CaptainSchmideo

And if you make more than $200k/yr, you are "rich", and defined as such you will get SOAKED

Do you honestly believe that any sizable portion of the population of this board will even be affected by this?

And as far as having to pay for medical coverage...I already do! I pay $440 a month for insurance with high copays and deductibles!

I said it before, and I will say it again. Any candidate that makes all the rich, fat, stupid white guys this nervous gets my vote!

snowbird

Get ready, America, for the first(I'm sorry, the SECOND) black president of the United States.....

Ah, this is what it all boils down to, isn't it? It's not his lack of experience, his vagueness on the issues, or any other legitimate concerns. It's his blackness that is so troubling; thank you for stating outright what others only dare to hint.

I said it before, and I will say it again. Any candidate that makes all the rich, fat, stupid white guys this nervous gets my vote!

I've said it before, and I too will say these three words again: SCARED.WHITE. MALES.

Sylvia

nvrgnbk

1) And if you make more than $200k/yr, you are "rich", and defined as such you will get SOAKED; thus, you will have little incentive to keep earning what you do now,--the opportunity to make a nice profit will simply not be there.

If you make over 200G you ARE rich.

I think they'll be just fine.

we are going to pay for the social security bailout

You mean the bailout required thanks to mismanagement of funds by the current administration?

2) Nationalize health insurance. We're going to cover EVERYONE, including illegals/immigrants--guess who's going to pay for it? Remember, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Someone has to pay...It ain't gonna be the super rich, and the poor certainly cannot pay for it. Yup, you're right--those of us in the middle, working class will be footing the bill

A country where being poor doesn't prevent you from having a measure of health coverage- imagine that.

It's almost as bad as what they have in most of Europe. It's barbaric.

3) Draw down troops and eventually withdraw from all military involvement in the Middle East.

Excellent!

4) pass the "card check" unionization bill--no more secret ballot, as has always been the case up till now in votes, union thugs will be able to intimidate and coerce people into voting for union representation because now they will know which workers are not on the 'list', and thus they can apply pressure and coercion tactics.

Union workers that vote against the union are hypocritical leeches.

5) Want to 'engage' and talk with countries and leaders that openly hate us and show us no respect, like Hugo Chavez, Amejinad(sp?) in Iran, Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, Bashar Assad in Syria, etc..etc...Bottom line, if he's a dictator, Obama wants to talk, make nice, and negotiate with you.

Excellent!

A President that understands that you have to give respect to get it.

That's novel.

He probably thinks that since it's not possible to bomb every country that openly criticizes US foreign policy it's good to engage them as opposed to further alienating them.

6) Bush as a republican did a bad enough job enlarging the size of our federal government

Glad you admitted that.

7)pass more regulation and red tape to hamstring business in the name of 'helping the workers'

Place the health, safety, and prosperity of the workers, the backbone of any business, over profits?

I'm really liking this guy.

--which in turn will only drive away investment and jobs...

Minimum wage jobs that no one can survive on without also working a second or even a third job.

BurnTheShips

Apparently Obama is willing to pay for Hillary to drop out:

She has ruled it out, but a prompt withdrawal from the contest for the Democratic nomination offers Sen. Hillary Clinton the prospect of major rewards.
One of the most inviting is the near certainty that the Obama campaign would agree to pay back the $11.4 million she has loaned her own bid, along with an estimated $10 million to $15 million in unpaid campaign expenses.

Smells a little bit like bribery, no?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/big-rewards-await-clinton_n_100694.html

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