President Obama and a Democrat Congress Will....

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  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    Charity is and should be a private affair. The government tends to ruin whatever it gets involved in, better to keep it involved in the bare minimum for which there is no substitute.

    BTS

    There have been a couple of programs on PBS lately that show that since the Reagen admin in the 80s began to pare away at the programs that benefited poor hispanics, blacks and poor whites that the infant mortality rate has risen (It's one of the highest on the globe) and the health of these has suffered significantly. Some people think that social welfare policies means handing people checks every month. It can also mean health programs, daycare, schooling, housing, etc. Many of these programs give a hand up rather than a hand out.

    We pay as much tax as countries that have social welfare programs. When you look at federal, state, city, county, local sales, license plates and other types of taxes, we pay as much as they do. But we don't get the same benefits they do. Sweden has one of the highest quality of living there is. They do not have to worry about housing, daycare, health care or education. They pay their taxes, but they have much less stress when it comes to necessities and essentials. We could say the US was a great country if it valued the health and well being of all of its citizens. How can the rest of the world expect America to care about the rest of the world if America doesn't take care of its own?

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Burn,

    I am sure if you keep wildly firing that Armalite of opinion that underlines the tenor of your posts, one opinion will hit home at some point. Unfortunately not on this thrread as yet!

    The government tends to ruin whatever it gets involved in.

    Are you speaking of the US Government as this is certainly not the experience of Governments in Europe and other parts of the world?

    If you are speaking of the US Government, then I will aquiese to your opinion, as I would agree that in recent years the Government in the US has tended to make a complete arse of everything it has touched.

    HS

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    You are a socialist HS.

    I am not.

    We will never agree.

    BTS

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Respect is earned--but not by jaw-jaw. Teddy Roosevelt, apparenly a darling on this thread (and for good reason) coined the phrase "speak softly but carry a big stick".

    I have nothing against Teddy - hey, the man is reputed to have loved Tabasco Sauce - but the phrase he supposedly "coined" is believed to be a West African proverb.

    I just couldn't let that slide.

    Do carry on.

    Sylvia

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    Main Entry:
    so·cial·ism Listen to the pronunciation of socialism
    Pronunciation:
    \ ' so-sh?- ? li-z?m\
    Function:
    noun
    Date:
    1837
    1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

    You are a socialist HS.

    I am not.

    We will never agree.

    BTS

    BurntheShips, it's inaccurate to call HS a socialist. You cannot equate social programs with a socialist form of government. America has had social programs and still has social programs. America is not a socialist government. Having social programs that benefit US citizens will not make America a socialist country. People pull that socialist argument out hoping that others don't know the difference between social programs and a socialist government. Hillary Step is better educated than that.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    BurntheShips, it's inaccurate to call HS a socialist. You cannot equate social programs with a socialist form of government. America has had social programs and still has social programs. America is not a socialist government. Having social programs that benefit US citizens will not make America a socialist country. People pull that socialist argument out hoping that others don't know the difference between social programs and a socialist government. Hillary Step is better educated than that.

    It is thoroughly accurate to call HS a socialist. He believes socialist policies in many guises are a good thing. Social programs are socialist programs. America is already in part a socialist country. Europe is also, but more so.

    BTS

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    Sorry about my Jesus "quote" above. Acutually, I've quoted this "Give a man a fish" quote before on this board

    and attributed it to LaoTzu. For some reason, Jesus just came out this time from my fingers.

    HS, if I remember correctly, has admitted before that he is a socialist in a past argument. Just sayin'....

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    Burn, read this definition carefully.

    1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

    Surely you are not equating welfare programs to the definition above. That is ludicrous. England is not a socialist country. People can own property there and the government does not own and run all industry and production. They have universal healthcare. That does not make them socialist.

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Burn,

    It is thoroughly accurate to call HS a socialist.

    It is thoroughly innacurate to call HS a socialist and I should know as I am HS. Not that being a socialist is a sin of course. ;)

    HS

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    HS, if I remember correctly, has admitted before that he is a socialist in a past argument. Just sayin'....

    If this is true, he can come and say so. But please also let him give a definition of what he means by socialist. As you can see from the definition of socialism, few people who throw the term around on JWD seem understand what it is and what it is not.

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