whatever, if abortion where undeninably murder it would be banned.
The bottom line is -- they're not babies, and they're not unborn children. Just as black isn't white no matter how often you say it.
Giving a fetus more rights than a woman, who is the host and has the fetus there only by her permission is insane. It's like giving a malignant tumor more right than the host it is in. Basically, the woman has the last say, it;s her bodies, not the fetuses.