ExJw And Abortions

by tyydyy 99 Replies latest jw friends

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  crownboy

  (I'm still a JW, technically).

  I'm not too big on the abortion issue personally, as I believe that life begins at conception. However, I do support abortions to save a mother's life (how can some pro-lifers determine that the babies life is more important than the mothers?), and in spite of my reservations on the issue I firmly believe in a woman's right to choose (the question of when life begins can be convincingly argued both ways). I'm somewhat undecided on whether one should abort a child that would be terminally ill (is it right to bring a child into the world that will suffer more than it will enjoy, but then again should I make that determination?

  I think children conceived by rape or incest should be carried to full term and then put up for adoption. While either of those situations is just terrible for the mother to go through, it's not the child's fault. Same goes for unwanted pregnancies.

  Utopian Reformist makes a good point about sterilization. Having a child is a serious responsibility, and a person who shows gross irresponsibility in their actions should loose the privilege to have children. It really upsets me when people on welfare have tons of kids. Rapist should automatically be sterilized as they present a real harm to society.

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  tyydyy

  Skimmer,

  I seriously doubt that 99% of abortions are planned birth control. Many are accidents. Many learn their lessons after having to go through the pain and emotional turmoil of actually having an abortion. I have accompanied a friend to a clinic (for the record No it was not a result of anything I did) and I did not see anyone there who looked like they wanted to come back. Most were very unhappy and some had tears. This is not an easy decision for women or the men who help them. I would venture to say that if you talked to these women you would see that they feel they are doing the responsible thing for themselves and the fetus.

  I happen to be a man who wants sex without having to worry about the consequences. I want sex without responsibility. I want sex without the potential need of making a commitment.

  The things you mentioned although jokingly reflect a shallow view about what a woman or couple goes through when making the decision to abort.

  TimB
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  Xena

  Maybe Planned Parenthood and other abortionists should get together and run a dating service for their clients. Since 99%+ abortions are done for reasons of birth control, a list of females who think convenience abortion is acceptable would be a valuable property in a certain segment of the dating market. Think of the
  types of males it would attract: the males looking for sex without responsibility, the males looking for sex without having to worry about the consequences, the males looking for sex without having to be concerned about the duties of fatherhood, the males looking for sex without being bothered about the potential need of making a commitment, males looking for sex while retaining the ability to switch from woman to woman without bothersome complications, and so forth.

  I would really like to know where you get that 99% stat from....uuummm did you ever hear of birthcontrol that doesn't work??? uuummm one stat that I do know of that is a FACT is that the only 100% method of birthcontrol is abstinance. And tongue in cheek or not that statement was sexist and offensive. Wow how funny to assert that 99% of the women who have abortions are sluts who just want to fxxk any guy and then run and get an abortion when they get pregnant. Yes there are some women who use this as a method of birthcontrol...but until you have an abortion I would hesitate to insinuate that MOST women consider this a viable means of birthcontrol...the emotional, physical and mental trama you go through when you have an abortion is considerable and lasts a lifetime...it is not a decision lightly made by most women!
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  shecky

  i think alot of people here are confused as to where they stand on the issue themselves. you're making up statistics, without any backing for them. (not referring to xena:) )

  bottom line, abortion is legal, and hopefully will always stay legal.
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  ballistic

  No one came back to me on my reply. Was it something I said?
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  Ranchette

  Ballistic,

  To answer your first question.
  I never felt it was just a female issue in the first place.
  Men obviously have strong feelings on this issue too and rightly so.
  There are lots of male doctors who feel strongly enough about it that they are willing to risk their lives to help women to get abortions.

  As for your second question I don't know the answer and for me it doesn't matter that much because there are certain circumstances that I would not hesitate getting an abortion even if the answer was as soon as the sperm and egg unite.

  I feel this is a personal issue between the female and possibly the other party that they have to live with for the rest of their life and stand before God, that is if they believe in God.

  I just don't think it's anyone elses busines as long as they are abiding by the laws of the land.

  I think people have a right to try to change the laws if they don't like how it is in their country. They also have the right to express their feelings.But that's about it.

  Ranchette
  
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  tyydyy

  Skimmer,

  Keep in mind that not everyone has the same definition of when life begins. It is possible that you don't have the absolute answer.

  TimB
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  Skimmer

  Hello again tyydyy:

  Do I have the absolute answer? Undoubtedly, I am missing out on the absolute answer on many things. Yet I know that the issue of the beginning of human life is one of the most certain in my belief set, and this is based not just on religious issues only, but also cold, objective cellular biology.

  If I were introduced to contrary scientific observations that were new to me, I would consider changing my view. How many "choice" advocates could honestly make the same claim?
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  shecky

  perhaps pro life advocates believe that life ends when a human becomes a abortion doctor. their view on the sanctity of life astounds
  me.
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  Robdar

  In society, if the heart stops beating the person is legally dead. Is the embryo alive before its heart starts beating?

  Heart beat usually occurs during the 7th week of pregnancy.

  Robdar