ExJw And Abortions (page 4)

Joseph Joachim

"Your mother was pro-life."

Actually, my mother is the most vociferous abortist I've ever known. She always says that she would have had an abortion done if my brother or I had come at the wrong time (even when abortion is illegal in my country).

JJ

Undecided

Hi All,

A little off subject but what about a woman being able to create life(with the help of a man's sperm). Strictly from a religious view, shouldn't she get pregnant as often as possible to provide another life for God to save that would live forever in happiness and bliss?
Who would this person give thanks to for his life, the woman or God? If she hadn't had sex, this person would never have come into existence and all the religions preaching and saving of God wouldn't have been possible. What was most important, sex or God's saving???

Just another of my dumb questions,

Ken P.

joelbear

I think if a woman is forced into this horrible choice because of the actions of a man who is unwilling to marry or otherwise support the family he has created that the man should be put to death, not the unborn child.

Joel

shecky

and insanity reigns:)

Abaddon

jayhawk1; "I don't support abortions for birth control"

This might be semantics, but I see 'birth control' and 'contraceptives' as synonyms. Who uses abortion as a contraceptive? If anyone does, they are a fool. There are far better methods. Abortion is a method of ending unwanted or undesirable pregnancies, not a method of contraception!

Skimmer; "Intentional abortion is the willful taking of human life. This is a scientific fact and has nothing to do with any religion."

Funny how you can give an opinion like that and keep the word 'scientific' in the statement. Your attempt to make slave owning (of seperate, sentient creatures) the same as abortion (which does not neccesarily involve sentient creatures) seems muddled too.

Semantically speaking, yes, abortion is the taking of life, as the cells involved are alive, just as, oh, cleaning your house is the taking of life, as some simple organisms will die when you clean your house. For most people, each meal involves the taking of life of quite complex organisms. So what do you actually mean by 'life'?

If you use 'life' as a contraction of 'human life', well, even then, it depends. You cannot compare a zygote with a baby. I think a baby is most definately human life and a zygote is most definately NOT "human" life. Before you get angry, check what a zygote is, if you don't know.

Notice I put quotation marks around the word human... as this is also a word that requires defining. Obviously a growing, fertilised egg is human life in one sense, but I say "human" life as I think there is no equivalence, for all the similarities of genetic origin, biological activity and possible outcome of existence, between a zygote and a baby.

Where the dividing line is, between the zygote and the full-term fetus, beyond which it is 'wrong' to abort, that is a question for the individual. People are free to regard a zygote as human life, but equally, people are free not to. Some people might regard a 13 week-old fetus as too developed to not regard as human life, others might regard a higher or lower limit as the dividing line.

Obviously, there is no 'magic moment' where a pregnancy becomes human. But, as it obviously ISN'T "human" when it's a ball of cells, and obviously IS 'human' when it's a baby, a dividing line needs to be drawn.

Why? Well, sometimes it's not a good idea for a person to have a baby, for any number of different reasons. Ideally (as in some European countries), you should be able to get a pill that will end the pregnancy as soon as you know about it, if you don't want a baby.

As for;

joel; "I think if a woman is forced into this horrible choice because of the actions of a man who is unwilling to marry or otherwise support the family he has created that the man should be put to death, not the unborn child."

Joel sweetie, I have big respect for you on many issues, but that's just silly. Would you be the triggerman? Or was that hyperbole? So a guy who works in McD's has a one-night stand with a CEO, the condom bursts, he can't pay support, BANG!, is justice? Killing people is wrong... and, no, I don't think abortion is killing 'people', if anyone's going to jump on that as a discrepancy.

People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

jayhawk1

TO SKIMMER,
My reasoning has nothing to do with slavery. You are comparing apples and oranges. It is not my place to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. Don't forget, the bible is loaded with slavery, so appartantly God must see nothing wrong with slavery. I can't read his thoughts, so maybe abortions for the purpose of saving a woman's life is fine with Him. The next time you pick a fight with me, read between the lines of what I am saying. I never post long posts, because I like to keep things open for more comments. Ain't nothing like hogging a thread to one's self.

"Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

I feel bad for these poor fools.
http://hometown.aol.com/onjehovahside/ and [email protected]

jayhawk1

To Abaddon,
Ture, abortion ends a pregnancy, but I also know two women that had an abortion just because they forgot to take their birth control pills. Again people, read between the lines!

"Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

I feel bad for these poor fools.
http://hometown.aol.com/onjehovahside/ and [email protected]

jayhawk1

To Everybody Else,

And before anybody thinks or says, "How do you know these three women?" I will say this, I dated these three women. Something I always discuss early on in a relationship is abortion. It may be an uncomfortable thing to talk about, but I do try to bring it up very soon in a relationship. I like to know where a woman stands on highly debatable issues.

"Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

I feel bad for these poor fools.
http://hometown.aol.com/onjehovahside/ and [email protected]

Xena

Abaddon just a couple of points...I do know of at least one women who used abortion as birthcontrol...she had unprotected sex till she got pregnant and then had abortions...3 times that I know of....and yes you are right that is just stupid....but unfortunately it does sometimes happen.

Also for the guy at McD's who got the CEO preggy...uuumm there is more than financial support that can be rendered. The problem is when guys refuse to take any kind of responsiblity for their actions..financially, emotionally and just physically helping out. There might be less abortions if men stepped up to the plate more often after the "comdom breaks".

tyydyy

Mega,
Most abortions do not stop a beating heart.
My mom was pro-choice and chose to have a baby.
As long as you have an option, you have to make a choice.

Actually, I think that the morality police actually cause some abortions. If they make it too difficult for youngsters to get birth control then they have to take some responsibility for the pregnancy and the abortion.

Jan, With all due respect that thread was serveral months ago and a good many of us did not get to participate in that discussion.
Good article though.

TimB

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