ExJw And Abortions (page 5)

Seeker

Actually, I think that the morality police actually cause some abortions. If they make it too difficult for youngsters to get birth control then they have to take some responsibility for the pregnancy and the abortion.

Indeed, if the hypocrites of the pro-life group really cared enough to prevent abortions, they would advocate strong sex education and freely-available contraception. Time and again throughout the world, the abortion rate drops when those factors are in play. But no, they object to these things, and therefore choose a course of action that causes the rates of abortions to rise.

mommy

Okay Tim,
I will biteThough Jan has said we have had this discussion before it is good to have it with new blood.

We all know the JW view of abortion before leaving but what about now? How have your views changed?

My views have not changed on abortion. The thing that has changed is my judgementalism to those who choose to have one.

I used to secretly cheer when I heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions. I now don't have to do it secretly. I don't take the subject lightly but I do believe that it is the choice of the woman.

I agree completly, I also cheer when woman are not forced to go against their conscience and have the ability to make decisions for her own body.

At what point does the fetus have "LIFE"?

There is much arguement over this. My take on the matter is the intent of a zygote, embryo, fetus, is a full term baby. There is no other purpose for it. Nature at times terminates damaged fetus's that are not able to withstand life. All others are meant to be alive. What a woman chooses to do with her soon to be living child is her decision. But to minimize it and say it is not a child yet, is just that minimizing the whole perspective.

Of course it is not viable yet and able to live outside of the womb, it is not intended to be that way. The mother is needed as a host to nourish and provide a place for the child to grow. You can get all scientific, and technical and give definitions of what each stage of growth is, and if they feel pain, etc, etc. But that would be like cutting out a 1 years olds tongue because they cannot speak yet. Everything has a timeline, and if we stop the process we are in actuality stopping the a soon to be lifeform.

There are many situations that can bring about pregnancy. There are only 3 people that a pregnancy will effect. Since the child is a silent partner, the adults must determine what they will do. The effects are theirs to live with, and the decision is theirs to make.

What I find most upsetting about the whole situation is that abortion is legal in America. The availability to obtain an abortion is thwarted though. Because of the fact that others continue to push their own conscience on another.

As far as abortion being a form of birth control...believe me this is a fact in most of the woman I have come in contact with. Of course they are young and uneducated to other forms of birth control. This is in part due to people feeling they know when a good time to educate a young woman on effective birth control methods.

I understand if you hesitate to comment on this issue. It is a discussion that could be inflamitory. People can be very judgemental on this subject. But from what I've seen so far, this group can handle it.

I agree we can handle it. It is those that say we can't handle it that also view a young adult is too young to be educated on birth control.
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

tyydyy

mommy,

But to minimize it and say it is not a child yet, is just that minimizing the whole perspective

Very good point. I didn't think of it that way. I would have to agree that the pregnant woman should be the one to define the intent or the "life".

TimB

Abaddon

xena and jayhawk; I'm not saying that some people don't use abortion as contraception, but those that do (with reasonable exceptions) are fools, as there are better ways of dealing with things.

As for the support thing, yes, there's a lot more than financial support... I used a fairly silly example as the statement struck me as being a bit silly.

tyydyy, you do make a very good point. In Holland they have VERY thorough sex education, and very low teenage pregnancy. In the USA, sex education, I believe, is quite poor, and teen pregnancy is high. AND, to counter the dumb belief that sex education encourages kids to have sex, the age of people losing their virginity is higher in Holland than in the USA!

Mommy; I respect the way you hold your own opinion whilst respecting other's rights. Remember, at least a third of fertilised eggs don't even implant. Nature kills off the eggs that don't suit life. Many animals will euthanise their young, or abort, if conditions do not suit life. I think it is fair (and I'm not saying you oppose this viewpoint) that a woman, even using technological means, ends a pregnancy is conditions do not suit life. It isn't un-natural at all, even if the method are un-natural.

People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

Mulan

My views have changed on this issue. I do believe it is murder, and I would never have done it......not an issue at my age......hahahha. However, if I had a young teenage daughter, or granddaughter, or son who had gotten a girl pregnant, I might express an opinion to have that done. Why ruin their future, by a mistake? I haven't had that come up, and hopefully, I won't, but it seems a shame for a young girl (like 15 or less) to have that burden for her entire life, and all of the lost opportunities.

I thought I was pregnant, when I was 47, and wanted to go jump off of a bridge, but I wouldn't have. When I found out I wasn't pregnant, I was both relieved and disappointed.

I am AGAINST late-term abortions, no matter what the circumstances!! That is just barbaric!

I also believe it is the woman's right to choose this option, and none of my business........unless it's my family. For other people, I would tell them, that it is up to them, and they didn't need my opinion.

Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)
"Those who know, don't say, and those who say, don't know."

Skimmer

Twenty six pro-abortion arguments:

Life beginning at conception is a religious view.
It (i.e. the preborn baby) is only "potential" life.
It's only "potential life" until birth.
The fetus is not a human being!
The fetus becomes a child (only) at birth.
Every baby should be a wanted baby.
Abortion should be restricted only after viability.
Who should decide, you or the state?
What about my reproductive choices/rights?
Women should have freedom of choice (abortion).
It's my body to do with as I want.
What's to stop the state from mandating abortion in the future?
The population explosion threatens us all.
Rape, incest or the life of the mother?
Abortion should be allowed for fetal deformity.
Forcing a woman to complete or terminate a pregnancy.
Pro-lifers want to punish women.
Classifiying aborting women as victims is condescending.
If we restrict abortion, it will be the poor that suffer.
Pro-lifers will force women into back alley abortions.
We're not pro-abortion, we're pro-choice.
Pro-choice is not pro-abortion.
Pro-abortion is forced abortion.
Pro-Lifers don't care about children after they are born.
"Babies" having babies
Contraception/birth control

Their refutations: http://www.all.org/issues/ab19.htm

mommy

Skimmer,
How would you refute each of those points?
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

Skimmer

I don't have to refute any of them personally.

My stand is that human life begins at conception. There is no magic time when a fetus becomes a human being; it is always a human being.

mommy

Skimmer,
Okay I was just wondering why you put them up there. Because it doesn't tell me anything about your personal views on the matter, just propaganda, imo. And does not add anything to the conversation if you don't converse about them
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

Andee

My view of abortion has a before and after.

Before and after having a child, that is.

Before: Had I gotten pregnant when I was single I would not have hestitated to abort. Yes, I believed it was a life, however, MY life was more important, so, yes, I would have ended the pregnancy. Yes, killed it. At the point in my life, I was the center of my universe.

After: Now after I have had two pregnancies and two children, no I would not abort if I got pregnant now. I do not want anymore children, however, if I were to get "knocked up", after recovering from the shock, I would prepare myself for the raising of another child. I look at my children and realize that, at one point, they were also just a little blob of cells. I could not deny another "blob" a chance at life, even if it turned my life upside down. I am no longer the center of my universe.

As far as other women go. I believe in choice. In the first tri-mester anyway. However, THEY had better consider that they have to LIVE with those choices made.

Andee

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