OK, let me explain....

by dawg 60 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • jamiebowers
    jamiebowers

    Jamie, there are always certain circumstances for each person... it's not easy on any of us, but we chose to do the right thing.

    Yes, I know that, but I think you missed my point. My point was that many jws, either active, faded or fading, have seen up close and personal, situations like mine. They have seen jw relatives turn on someone who was literally saving their own lives by leaving. Once you've seen something like that, you know with a certainty that some, if not most of your jw relatives will definitely shun you if you leave just because you no longer believe.

    Howver, I can see your point. Realistically, if all jws who wanted to or are in the process of fading would all leave at the same time, it would make quite an impact. But it's not realistic to think that could ever happen. People who are fading are experiencing enough fear and grief. As one who had the band-aid torn off all at once and having been out for 20 years, I would feel dishonest if I didn't tell people how it really is. Leaving is frightening and painful. Though it gets better, it never goes away. The closest thing I can compare being shunned with is experiencing the death of a loved one. The pain gets better with time, but it never goes away.

  • Perry
    Perry

    WOW,

    All I have to say is:

    AMEN, AMEN, AMEN !!!

  • Eyes Open
    Eyes Open

    Junction Guy: I used Abe Books to buy some old WT literature.

    dawg: I don't believe you answered my question about whether or not you have read books by professionals who help cult members think for themselves as a job.

  • New light for you
    New light for you

    Junction guy- i have a great idea for you...

    I just read this in the Steve Hassans "combatting cult mind control"... these are the questions you are supposed to ask someone if they're trying to "get you"... I read this, i would LOVE to see what the witnesses would do with even just this ONE question.....

    (Word for word)

    What are the three things you like the LEAST about the group and the group leaders?

    HHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!! can you all picture that???!?!?! I know, 6 months ago, i would have been completely dumbfounded (because i was dumb).

    If your curious, some of the other questions he had listed were:

    Is your group considered to be controversial by anyone? If peole are critical of your group, what are their main objections?

    (THIS IS A GOOD ONE TOO)

    How do you feel about former members of your group? have you ever sat down to speak with a former member to find out why he left the group? If not, why? Does your group impose restrictions on communicating with former members?

    anyway... i think that would be fun. but honestly otherwise... why are you wasting your time like that? go ! have fun! buy a xmas tree or something!!!

  • dawg
    dawg

    I've read a few cult books, never one that mentions how to get the family/friends out... so, you're using the book, how's that working out for you?

  • StAnn
    StAnn

    Dawg, in one sense, I'm with you. A family situation: I have a brother who is DF'd and our older brother, who is a JW elder, said in front of the DF'd brother's children, "Well, I don't care how he feels about it, he made his choice. He knew what he was doing when he left and I'm not going to go visit him or call him or speak to him. I don't know how he lives with himself."

    I thought, the next time I get the chance, I'm going to make the point, "Have you seen your little brother lately? No? Well, you've made your choice. You've chosen some crazy cult over your own flesh and blood who did nothing more than change his mind and decide to leave a religion. I don't know how you're going to live with yourself."

    StAnn

  • wobble
    wobble

    Junction Guy could simply ask where the idea of 1914 comes from in Scripture, there is nothing in Daniel except a prophecy about the king of babylon in Chap. 4 which explains itself and gives its fulfillment in the same chapter. Just show them how silly their explanation is and how it is going WAY "beyond what is written" !!!!

    Happy teaching Junction Guy

    Good luck Dawg

    Love to all on JWD

    Wobble

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    It gets too ugly and depressing. I'm very much happier with the current detente. I get the occasional ballistic missile for some minor border infraction but if I ignore it for long enough we can all pretend it didn't happen. Sorry that metaphor went a bit too far.

  • Eyes Open
    Eyes Open
    I've read a few cult books, never one that mentions how to get the family/friends out...

    In that case, may I make a suggestion if you're going to continue to post advice to others about interactions with friends and relatives still in? Read one.

    so, you're using the book, how's that working out for you?

    It's helped me understand a little more why I chose not to act on the cognitive dissonance, and see the heavy influences used to control. I haven't finished the book yet, and am in the process of deciding how I will co-ordinate the SIA which will hopefully allow my relative to get over their fears and be able to make a good decision about the cult.

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    New light for you----good suggestions, as for the first question, I did ask him almost identical to that one, but he wouldn't budge.

    As for the last question about former members, I would save that for the very last day, and use that as a last resort, it would probably have the best effect if a younger person was with him.


    Wobble---The 1914 doctrine was discussed heavily with him, although I haven't got around to the 607 BC issue. I would definitely tie those into each other.

    New light for you---As for the Christmas tree, I already have one, and I have done just about every legal "worldly" activity known to JW's---I vote, worked on my brother's political campaign, I attend church when I can, you name it I have done it.

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