by hamilcarr 360 Replies latest jw friends
I'll not reinvent the wheel. I doubt you'll read anything that debunks your philosophy and dogma anyway. Enjoy!
Reading publications from the creationist industry has been my job for 13 months.
Would you like to discuss a particular point related to this thread or is independent thinking beyond your capacities?
The origins of atheism however date back to the 5th century BCE in a time where a static view on the natural world was mainstream. The forced link between atheism and evolution is a fairly recent subject mainly in reformed countries.
Not really, although atheism has existed far back into history, evolution helped make atheism more respectable in the modern era. Besides, evolution itself is a "fairly recent subject", a fact that strains your assertion. The great atheistic political movements of the last century-plus had evolution as a part of their philosophy. Evolution has also been used as an atheist bludgeon to discredit religion and faith. One of the reasons some believers resist evolution is precisely because of this perception. They believe (and are made to believe) that to accept the one means a negation of the other. When believers do accept evolution, they are derided as inconsistent by the likes of Dawkins etc.
BTS
Evolution has also been used as an atheist bludgeon to discredit religion and faith.
That's what I mean. Only now has this forced link been a subject of discussion and a presumed reason to denounce evolution. It wasn't at the time of the events.
More silly evolutionist dogma debunked
The scientific method precludes dogmatism.
Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge
Have you noticed 'correcting' previous knowledge? Sound pretty much like the opposite of dogmatism to me. Any scientist is willing to change his mind if observations are in conflict with theory. That's why scientific theories evolve. Does creationism have such a mechanism to avoid groupthink and promote individual progress?
It's exactly this anti-dogmatic methodology (labelled "materialism" to scare off the public) that creationists want to put aside.
More lulzy stuff that should be taught:
"Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever! In explaining evolution we do not have one iota of fact."
(Dr. Newton Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission.)
"I, myself, am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially to the extent to which it's been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the credulity that it has."
Malcom Muggeridge, Pascal Lectures, Ontario Canada, University of Waterloo.
Radiocarbon dating is a joke:
"When the blood of a seal, freshly killed at McMurdo Sound in the Antarctic was tested by carbon-14, it showed the seal had died 1,300 years ago."
From W. Dort Jr., Ph.D. -- Geology, Professor, University of Kansas
A lake Bonney seal known to have died only a few weeks before was carbon dated. The results stated that the seal had died between 515 and 715 years ago.
(Antarctic Journal, Washington)
"The hair on the Chekurovka mammoth was found to have a carbon-14 age of 26,000 years but the peaty soil in which is was preserved was found to have a carbon-14 dating of only 5,600 years."
("Dry bones and other fossils" by Dr. Gary Parker)
"Scientists got dates of 164 million and 3 billion years for two Hawaiian lava flows. But these lava flows happened only about 200 years ago in 1800 and 1801.
(Radiocarbon Journal, Vol. 8, 1966.)
"The Carbon-14 contents of the shells of the snails of Melanoides tuberculatus living today in artesian springs in southern Nevada indicate an apparent age of 27,000 years."
Alan C. Riggs, Science, vol 224 (1984) 58-61
"In the light what is known about the radiocarbon method and the way it is used, it is truly astonishing that many authors will cite agreeable determinations as a "proof" for their beliefs. The implications of pervasive contamination and ancient variations in carbon-14 levels are steadfastly ignored by those who based their argument upon the dates. The radiocarbon method is still not capable of yielding accurate and reliable results. There are gross discrepancies, the chronology is uneven and relative, and the accepted dates are actually selected dates. ’This whole blessed thing is nothing but 13th-century alchemy, and it all depends upon which funny paper you read’."
Robert E. Lee, Radiocarbon: Ages in Error, Anthropological Journal of Canada
BA- Funny stuff. Lulz.
PS- More fun stuff here: http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution
PS#2:
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
- 2Timothy 4:3,4
The evolution thought was not brand new on the scene w darwin. His father or uncle was throwing it around. As well, it had popped up in various places and times, as far back as even before the supposed christ. Darwin was the first to tackle it w the relatively new modern scientific method.
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The scientific method precludes dogmatism.
And Christianity precludes hate, yet we see hateful Christians, and dogmatic scientists.
Science does not not perform itself.
BTS
I don't have the time to reply to all of the stupidity piling up in this thread. Anyone looking in - those links are great practice for debunking crap. Use them to hone your skills at spotting misleading arguments in the watchtower publications. That is the only value they have.
But Juction Guy
That's because for most of the 20th century the majority of Europe was a communist cult, and the few countries that weren't were still heavily influenced by it. Give people choice and it is a whole other matter. So while it may be more dangerous to live in my country, I am thankful I have freedom of speech and religion.
Wow. Sorry I've been missing the fun Derek, mo chara. We really should get together for some beers and a chat about the American education system. Shocking. (No offense mkr)
STOP SHOUTING!!!
and start developing your own thoughts instead of resuscitating ready made opinions.
And Christianity precludes hate, yet we see hateful Christians, and dogmatic scientists.
Yes, and that's why I was talking about the scientific method, not about the individual scientist.
Science does not not perform itself.
Litotes?
