How long does reinstatement take?!? Question for a elder or someone thats been in this situation

by N-kiki 64 Replies latest jw friends

  • lavendar
    lavendar

    "When our own thoughts are forbidden, when our questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished, when contacts and friendships outside of the organization are censored, we are being abused for an end that never justifies its means. When our heart aches knowing we have made friendships and secret attachments that will be forever forbidden if we leave, we are in danger. When we consider staying in a group because we cannot bear the loss, disappointment and sorrow our leaving will cause for ourselves and those we have come to love, we are in a cult."

    Deborah Layton, Jonestown survivor. (Jim Jones; People’s Temple)


    N-kiki - I truly hope & pray that someday you'll realize in your heart that the WTS is not what it claims to be......and that you find your freedom. All the best to you......

    Lavendar

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower
    Your current hall will conduct the reinstatement hearing, they will probably call or write the old hall for details though.

    Has something changed since Dec 2006 when I was still an elder? Last I heard, the congo that DF'd is the one that has the final say on reinstatement. They will share some information from the case with the new congo elders, the new congo will appoint 2 elders to monitor the situation (usually the PO and either SO or secretary, but not always), meet with the DF'd person, and stay in communication with the original JC. If the congos are geographically close (or even in the same circuit), the DF'd individual will most likely be required to meet with the original committee. If there is considerable distance, then the new congo elders will stay in correspondence and give weight to the "progress" reported by the new congo. Much has to do with the status of the individual prior to DF, the makeup and attitude of the JC and the BOE, the nature of the "offense", etc.

    6 months is bare minimum. When I was in MTS, and at elder's schools, it was emphasized repeatedly that JCs were reinstating DF people entirely too quickly. As one instructor at MTS told us students very directly: "It makes a mockery of the discipline if someone can commit a serious sin, wait 2 months, or even 6 months, then feign repentence with tears. They should in most cases wait at least a year to emphasize the seriousness of the situation to the individual." End quote..almost word for word. Sick. Not about helping a person, about following unscriptural rules.

    And COs are often consulted about cases, especially if the 6 month or 12 month mark is around that time; they will put off a decision until the CO visits. Certainly elders will often consult with other more experienced elders outside of the JC, even though they are not supposed to do that. The CO, DO, and the Society are supposed to be the exception. No one outside of the JC is supposed to know details. (as a side note, when a JC needs to be formed, the elder that is made aware of a situation will contact the PO, the PO will convene all the elders if possible, and a "rough" outline of the charges are to be made known to the entire body. Then the (at least) 3 elders will be appointed by the body to serve on the JC. However...from experience, I can tell you that during the initial elder discussion before the JC is formed, entire details are laid out in violation of confidentiality).

    Now...more directly to our new member n-kiki...first of all WELCOME. Second of all, as Homer said..you do realize this web site is considered by the Society as an "Apostate" board and that not only mere presence here, but also your membership, that if you are busted, you will have a very difficult time getting reinstated. Third, I HOPE THE MODS WILL MOVE THIS THREAD TO THE PRIVATE SECTION OF THE BOARD. You see, not to alarm you, but you posted on the PUBLIC part of the board. Meaning even lurking elders can see your posting about this situation. I know because a PO in my old congo used to lurk on the public sections of apostate boards...he often brought printouts to our meetings in an effort to DF a brother. The PO was successful.

    Finally, to comment on this:

    for my family, friends, the elders that disfellowshipped me and most of all JEHOVAH. I cant imagin spending the rest of my life not being able to see my family and have someone else telling my parents that they can not see there furture grandchildern since my husband and i are both in this situation.

    Many here fully understand this need. Some are even in similar situations with their family. Just understand that Jehovah is not a part of the equation. Just like the Nation of Israel of old, if the WTBTS was ever "God's Organization" they are not now. And just as the bible says the nation was DF'd for 40 years in the wilderness, so too the WTBTS needs a spanking. That is operating under the presumption any of that account is true.

    If there is indeed Jehovah, do you really think a "god of love" or his son Jesus would treat one of his troubled sheep as the judicial committees treat disfellowshipped individuals? I seriously doubt it. So if you are trying to get reinstated to keep family ties, then go in with the understanding that you give up more than you gain. It is a tough decision...only one you can make.

    I am an inactive JW myself according to the Society. I am known on this board as a "fader"...one who leaves and no longer considers themselves a JW....and I am no longer on their active rolls.... but if the elders knew I was here they would DF me in a heartbeat as a traitor. I only fade because my JW mom is still active...otherwise I wouldnt care.

    If you need to chat more, send a PM... I will help if I can... I wish you well on your journey..sorry this is so long.. others here know of my long posts at times...

    Snakes ()

  • lonestar63
    lonestar63

    N-kiki,

    This is a great place to learn things that the Society doesn't want you to know.

    The Truth about "The Truth", so to speak.

    Don't be afraid.

    I hope you spend some time here.

    Lonestar

  • lonestar63
    lonestar63

    N-kiki,

    I also hope you realize Snakes just gave you more kindness and encouragement than any Elder ever would.

    And he's on the "outside".

    Lonestar

  • KAYTEE
    KAYTEE

    The quickest I have known was the prodigal son,

    But that was when man did not do the forgiving.

    KT

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    My brother-in-law took two months, but another friend spent five years being treated like a ghost before they let him back in. I gave it six months and couldn't bear it anymore. I'm glad I quit actually - it was destroying me and my marriage, trying to get back in. Now I know that I'm much better off without all of the people I've lost. I include siblings and close friends in that statement. It wasn't love or friendship, it was a co-dependence.

    Only four years on, I have replaced them all with actual, genuine friends. My friends don't care what I believe.

  • truthsetsonefree
    truthsetsonefree

    I've seen many things. But the unwritten encouragement given is to wait at least one year. The congo one is in gets the details if too far away from the disfellowshipping congo to facilitate a hearing. It then conveys those details along with it's opinion to the original congo. The original one makes the final decision. They have the case notes and generally do NOT forward those notes to the new congo. Elders are given training at KM school and extension classes at CA time as to how to proceed on specific issues that may have recently burned elders in the circuit or that may come from the branch office. CO's are rarely contacted unless they happen to be visiting or the case is unusual. They can go off of a first letter but many times don't as they want to be sure that you are "repentant".

    Isaac

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I have disfellowshipped them, and they have absolutely no hope of ever being reinstated.

  • ex-nj-jw
    ex-nj-jw

    Ynot said:

    Now Now Now Considering everything this fear is common and normal. The division of gender within the JW community is very fundamental. Reason of DFing can escalate this fear especially if it is for immorality. In my KH a girl in trouble for immorality is labeled for LIFE..... a Brother it is forgotten quickly.

    Exactly as I said, sad very very very sad! That a grown woman has to fear another human being that really has no authority over her. And to want to be apart of an organization that treats women as you've stated above is even more sad.

    nj

  • Quirky1
    Quirky1

    How come I can't read N-kiki's posts?

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