Are You Paul or are you Saul?

by reniaa 347 Replies latest jw friends

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  Spike Tassel

  • To isaacaustin (Post 1489): Jehovah and Jesus knows which honours they have bestowed upon C.T. Russell and J.F. Rutherford, and others, even you and me. Jehovah and his Son read hearts, and bless each one's obedience accordingly. We will know about the honours when they are revealed to us, in whichever way they endorse.
  • Whether they were rewarded with heavenly life, or which spirit(s) bore witness with theirs appears to be a matter of faith. I do not want to share in anyone's blasphemy of the holy spirit, imputing wrong motives, etc. The charge regarding whether their track records are tainted is not for a mere mortal like me (with an incomplete knowledge of the facts that pertain from Jehovah's standpoint) to judge. Nor are the charges of false prophecy and preaching a false gospel. Presumptuousness is not a virtue, nor is it a display of loyalty to Jehovah's authority.

  • To isaacaustin (Post 1490): Saul went on the authority of the Pharisees. Were the Pharisees' methods like the KGB or the SS or some other modern military organization, who relied on informants? That would fit what it says at Acts 9:1-2. Do organizations like this vary their methods, depending on the circumstances? I suggest that they do. And what method did Paul the Christian while in the district of Asia? You'll find that answer for yourself at Acts 20: 17-21, which seems to indeed set the precedent which the best of JWs diligently work to emulate.

  • To TD Post 1880): Actually, I believe that JWs do apply the "Test of Gamaliel" very well, in the strict sense. They do not preach in a church or synagogue or mosque, nor do they preach in Vatican City. As to preaching to individuals that may attend these services, that is an entirely different matter, of course.
  • If "no sane person wishes physical violence upon Jehovah's Witnesses", then why it there so much physical violence against them? It must be insanity and irrationality, madness and demons.
  • "Blasting" messages from sound cars may be "an assault on the ears", but not in the category of "boxing them" or whatever physical brutality which was authorized by the high priest for those such as Saul the Pharisee.

  — Spike Tassel.
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  caliber

  By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? Matt:16

  Indulge your need to character assassinate but it only shows desperation if you cannot argue the doctrines and focus on imperfection of men instead whether they are real or just gossip.

  Reniaa

  Why did Matthew tells us to look at people's fruit or works to assess them ?
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  TD

  Spike:

  Actually, I believe that JWs do apply the "Test of Gamaliel" very well, in the strict sense. They do not preach in a church or synagogue or mosque, nor do they preach in Vatican City. As to preaching to individuals that may attend these services, that is an entirely different matter, of course.

  Then by that exact same yardstick most of the participants on this forum are applying it as well and no one would have any business quoting scripture and claiming otherwise.

  If "no sane person wishes physical violence upon Jehovah's Witnesses", then why it there so much physical violence against them? It must be insanity and irrationality, madness and demons.

  That is how I see it. Real, physical religious persecution is sociopathy.

  "Blasting" messages from sound cars may be "an assault on the ears", but not in the category of "boxing them" or whatever physical brutality which was authorized by the high priest for those such as Saul the Pharisee.

  Reniaa was equivocating. In her orginal post at the start of this thread she metaphorically applied the example of Saul of Tarsus to the people on this forum who idealogically oppose Jehovah's Witnesses. Once that path is set, one cannot revert back to Saul's physical violence just for effect.

  I think you're equivocating too. If publicly opposing the Witnesses on an internet forum makes one comparable to Saul which is what Reniaa asserted, then denouncing the Pope in a Catholic neighborhood from a sound car surely would as well. The starting premise of this thread back-fires because if it were true, it would condemn Jehovah's Witnesses too.
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  Yizuman

  Remember Jesus was called a drunk too

  Someone called God a drunk?

  Yiz
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  reniaa

  Hi loubelle,

  Did Paul get out of organised religion then or did he leave the jews and become an appostle and leader of the Christians writing letters for the encouragement and instruction of the flock?

  Reniaa
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  Mickey mouse

  Why are we misapplying the scripture regarding "fruitage"?

  The scriptures say we will know false prophets by their fruitage, not the "true religion".

  The fruitage of a false prophet=false prophecies.

  Can you see where I'm going with this?
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  reniaa

  Mad dawg

  what lists ones written by people that would have called first century Christians a cult?

  To be homest as soon as you said David Koresh you lost me because thats akin to using Godwin's law, deliberately mentioning a heinous murderous sect to make people associate it with witnesses...badly done Mad dawg. If thats what you think of witnesses we don't have much to discuss.

  Reniaa
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  reniaa

  Hi mrmajestic

  thats cool but can I ask you one last question... What if the people you meet are clearly not suffering, what if you can see they are happy and settled as witnesses would you still try and erm 'save them?

  Reniaa
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  Mickey mouse

  Reniaa, please can you do me a favour?

  To get a flavour of what we're referring to when we discuss the "cultlike" mentality of the JW organization, please check out this short video. It isn't about JWs at all but I think you'll get the gist.
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  reniaa

  Hi TD

  Anyone on this forum that still believes in God know they should be preaching his message and recruitiing members that way.

  I see a lot of Justifications for a total anti-witness agenda but the truth is in how they do it.

  Peeing in kingdom halls, publicity stunts, unsolicited anti-witness info emails to Jw friends, agressive name calling, messages left in kingdom halls calling them paedophiles, making spouses ultimatums of 'it's me or Jw's' encouraged. Encouraging deceit by encouraging apostates to infiltrate JW's and deceitfully stumble people.

  If your new 'Faith' aka ' destroy the witnesses' leads to all these actions or supporting them you can keep it, it's definitely not fruitage I wish to be part of.

  Reniaa