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by Westcoastrocks 137 Replies latest members private

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    Perhaps we should all step back a bit.

    At this time there is no emergency involving the use of a blood transfusion.

    There is a man that now knows that the WTS is not what it claimed to be, and he does not want to be a JW anymore.

    One cruel mark of this religion is that it rips families apart. We agree that this is cruel. Then let's not all rush to want this to happen in this case.

    We are talking about a very, very small child. We are talking about a mother. I happen to be one.

    If anyone had tried to take my five month old daughter away from me, I would have fought tooth and toenail. I nursed my baby and at five months she was having no other nourishment but me. She was a baby who was "attached to me." Picture someone trying to take her "for her betterment."

    Why would anyone on this forum want this to happen?

    Why should a tiny child suffer being used as a pawn in a parental fight?

    I like to welcome new posters also, but I like to be reasonable. A baby needs its mother. He doesn't say the child is neglected...he doesnt' say the child is in immediate danger.

    I am sure I do not have all the facts. Neither do any of you reading this.

    I do not like to see fatherless children.....but I certainly don't like to see motherless ones, either.

    I think this new poster needs to calm down and calmly discuss what is best for a TINY BABY at this time. Compromise is called for. If there is joint custody, then his say has medical weight, also.

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  • Quandry
    Quandry

    This message is for Reniaa,

    I think that the reason many of the posters on this forum reacted so strongly is that they are used to you coming up with an opposing view, no matter who posts or what they post.

    I think some just came up with a "knee-jerk" reaction....instead of really picturing in their minds a mother who gets up in the morning, singing a sweet song to her baby as she changes his diaper and feeds him/her, bathing carefully and then dressing him, cradling him, as he is cooing and smiling at her, and then.....picturing a court-appointed person taking the child from its mother's arms.....

    I have found that many on this forum are reasonable, and caring people. I know I try to be.

    Perhaps we should all think of the child first. A child needs a mother and a father. And it certainly does not need to grow up thinking that it is causing a royal battle between its mother and father.

    If reason prevails, and dad always speaks to the child truthfully and honestly, he can grow up to make his own intelligent decisions about religion.

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  • androb31
    androb31

    The board pharisee has spoken.....

    "So again I say I do not know your full situation but a man that can get all he says he wants from joint custudy yet still pursues Full custudy doesn't ring true to me as someone whose motives are pure. Would she get to see the child really? or would you use your power to say she an only see the child if she gives up her religion or never speaks of it to the child?"

    Are you serious!!!!???? You're asking if HE would resort to this... This is a JW shunning tactic (using a child as a pawn). This is clearly what the JW mother (in cahoots with the B-org) would do to either suck him back into the B-org or punish him for leaving.

    "if isaac link that he gives west means a baby is taken off it's mother would that guilt be on isaac or us all?"

    Everybody..... including you ren....... so you may want to head for the hills.

    By the way, hello westcoastrocks... sorry to hear about your situation. I hope things turn out well for you and your child and the mother, I'll include you in my prayers. Ignore the troll...... It chimes in to impute bad motives on anyone who leaves the JW's no matter how good their motives are or what their reason for leaving is.

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  • yourmomma
    yourmomma

    its comical that Reinnna thinks she has someone pegged after 1 short internet post. she knows nothing about the situation, doesnt know what kind of mother she is, or anything. all she knows is that she is a JW and he is not. so she will automaticly take the JW side, and judge the non-jw.

    Now that I am out of the org, I can look back and see how disgustingly judgemental JW's are. This cult takes normal, nice people such as Reinaa, and turns them into the most disgusting, judgemtnal, and hateful people you will ever come across. People who will sacrifice their children and let them die, people who will shun their mothers and fathers and sons and daughters because they have different beliefs.

    it saddens me greatly.

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  • shamus100
    shamus100

    when they leave Jws and the hatred that is born in them

    Why do you think we all left? Are you that stupid? Even I don't think so.

    You're just passive-aggressive - the very definition of it. You're far ruder than I am, sweetheart. Your non-stop blissfully ignorant - passive aggressive comments don't fool me. You're a victim - you love to be a victim. And you cry like a little baby when someone calls you out.

    Boo hoo - sticks and stones sticks and stones... didn't your momma ever teach you that saying?

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  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    projection:

    the tendency to ascribe to another person feelings, thoughts, or attitudes present in oneself, or to regard external reality as embodying such feelings, thoughts, etc., in some way.

    Reniaa's assertive statements about doctrine and judging others on that, her judgment and attribution of actions and otives to others all reveal what she is as a person

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  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Purps GrandDaughter is much better off with her Dad.....Sometimes Kids are better off with the Dad..

    Being a Jehovah`s Witness,does not automaticly make you a good Parent..

    Just as..

    Being Pro-WBT$..Does not make you Jehovah`s Witness..

    ....................................OUTLAW

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  • Westcoastrocks
    Westcoastrocks

    Reniaa

    Once again you don't know everything. So maybe you should wait till my story comes out before passing judgement on me? My son may only be 5 1/2 months old, but by the time we have our trial he will be closer to a year and not breast feeding anymore. I don't know what the laws are where you are from, but in the great state of Oregon a Judge will NEVER give joint custody unless it is agreed upon by BOTH parents. I came into mediation asking for 50% of parrenting time with my son after he reaches a year. I wanted legal custody only so that I could make medical choices for him. So if I want to make medical chocies for my son to protect him I have to fight for physical custody, cause in my state you don't get one without the other.

    Thanks so much guys for the info I am reading it now....

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  • Westcoastrocks
    Westcoastrocks

    Thanks guys for that information! it was exactly what I was looking for!. I spent days looking for that thanks so much!

    Quandry I know things don't look to good, me trying to get custody of my son. But like you said there are things that you just do not know. First, I have no plans on taking a 5 month old child away from his mother. IF I get custody my and my lawyer have already drawn up a plan to slowly introduce him living with me at the age of around 1 1/2 years. My wife is metally unstable. She hurts herself and has talked about killing herself many times. her family has a nasty history of this, her sister has actually attempted suicide on two different times. this is aside from her being a flight risk. She has already up and left with my son wth out me knowing about it. I do not know anyone in there right mind that thinks its safe for a baby to be with someone who is that mentally unstable. Suicide? She hurts herself? Really?

    I o belong to another Ex JW forum and when I posted a little info about whats been going on in my life I recieved no judgements. But so far I have recieved a lot here. Thats even with you guys admitting that you do not have all of the information. This is just teh tip of teh iceberg as far as how crazy my ex wife is. I loved her dearly, I begged her to get help. She refused, stold my child made false accusations that I abused her. I ended up in jail over it. (later released with charges fully dropped and I am now in court over the city and the false arrest) Oh i could go on for hours about just how crazy she is. But I will save that for my story. If you guys want to talk like I don't give a fuck about my child and whats better for him, then maybe I should look for support elsewhere. i have spent countless days and I am in debt 15,000 to try to save my child from his poor mentally ill mother. So please do not tell me what is best for my child.

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  • shamus100
    shamus100

    Good luck, Westcoast.

    Don't judge us on those idiot trolls.

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