The Son in two persons (page 11)

Deputy Dog

Reniaa

This should only take you one word, and a scripture to answer my question.

Micheal is just a name change for who?

Narkissos

Reniaa

Still off the mark, but not so far as your last few posts, so I'll reply this once:

but having access to holy spirit and doing miracles etc is not manifesting a hypostatic union since many people other than Jesus could use holy spirit.

Are many other people "using the holy spirit" thereby made conscious of their prehuman existence?

That's the point: if (the earthly) Jesus was conscious of his pre-human existence as his (and it would be difficult to say otherwise without discarding the whole Gospel of John, for instance), then he was definitely more than a man (and more than Adam). Whether this pre-human existence is to be construed as "angelic" or "divine" does not affect the previous statement. In both cases Jesus' humanity (human nature or "stuff") had to be combined with something else from a different nature/"stuff" (that which came from heaven) and coexisting within the same person. This is what I call the JW form of hypostatic union.

Deputy Dog

Nark

Another problem they have is that (according to JWs) Jesus existed for years on earth before what ever came down, came down. Jesus was his own person (separate and distinct) up until then.

Deputy Dog

While we're at it, if anyone has a (one word) name to give this unbiblical (JW) Son in two persons. I'd love to hear it.

Should we call it the "Byunity" doctrine? Who knows, maybe the JWs will write a song about it.

Deputy Dog

Reniaa

Malachi 3:1

The word for messenger here is the word for angel and could be translated angel but it is clearly refering to Jesus, so here we have the bible calling Jesus Angel/messenger of the covenant.

I don't see Jesus named anywhere in this verse.

Chalam

if we are already immortal, what need for the sacrifice?

Daniel 12:2 Isaiah 66:24 Revelation 20:14 Revelation 21:8 Matthew 10:28

I am not confused at all, I like taking scriptures literally :) it's the best way for them to be read.

Good. All the above scriptures are literal. God does not lie or play games.

All the best,

Stephen

Chalam

DD,

Mal 3:1 is clearly written about Jesus.

Reniaa is correct in regards to the Hebrew

4397. mal'ak (mal-awk')

From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. An angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher) -- ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

However, this does not of course prove that Jesus is an angel. In my mind, Hebrews 1 is the clearest rebut of that notion. However, I think we can all agree He is all the other things the word implies?

All the best,

Stephen

Deputy Dog

Chalam

This is not a trinity thread.

I'm asking a JW to prove it.

Deputy Dog

Chalam

You've got a P.M.

Spike Tassel

This Topic (to use the correct JWN term) is composed of many threads, a major one of which DEFINITELY has been "trinity" though my explanation of the Biblical "trinity" explanation of John 17:11 seems to have neatly closed that off, thankfully. I'm glad to Jehovah for this revelation.

Michael, scripturally, is the name of 11 different individuals according to Insight on the Scriptures' article on MICHAEL. There is a 6 paragraph study proving that the Michael (1.) is none other than Jesus Christ with comprehensive Scriptual evidence and sound reasoning on it.

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