I agree blue.... welcome to the forum Angel eyes !
If your happy leaving the truth why continue.............
by angel eyes 93 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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caliber
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bluecanary
angel, if you want to reply to a bunch of people in one thread, you don't have to make a separate post for each one. Mr. Flipper is a master at this. He'll post replies to twelve different people and put their name in bold capital letters at the beginning of each reply. It's pretty effective. If you do this, I recommend typing it out in a word processing program first and saving so you don't lose all your material. Boy is that headache. When you paste from a word program, there's a little icon in the menu above the typing box. You'll see the icons for cut, copy, paste and a little folder with a "W" on it. Use that icon to paste from Word.
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chickpea
hello, angel eyes
welcome to the forum...
you will undoubtedly learn a lot!i stick around here, even tho
everyone in my family, husband
and 4 kids, are out for good, it is
compelling to read about the impact that
heinous cult has on family relationships,
promulgating its hateful, unnatural
doctrines, often for nothing more than
someone simply changing their mind
about a religion based on a collective
of ancient manuscripts of a desert culture...i do not miss a chance to tell anyone who asks
that the unmistakable cultish characteristic the
WTS displays most prominently is this: they allow
for NO dignified exit.... that little gem absolutely
rivets their attention and is easy to disseminate...
i only use the "jah" word to designate which cult
i am addressinga lot of pain on these boards...
and anger and frustration and
contempt....still.... most of these peeps
are smart, funny and passionate
so you really can learn a lot...
i know i have -
mkr32208
I basicly come on here because I'm bored...
I'm pretty much over the JW thing. I don't get mad about it unless I have to deal with one of them for some reason!
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flipper
ANGEL EYES- I would never want you to lose your belief in what you consider " God " or Jehovah. My point was that as you said " you could be happy " exiting the witnesses if you found you needed to in order to find peace of mind . Leaving the witnesses and leaving God would be two entirely different things.
In my own experience the elders caused me some grief or " brothers in authority" . I couldn't just " let it be " because they were not following the WT socities directions in giving me wrong unscriptural counsel. If I just let it be and was quiet about them not following Jehovah's counsel- what would prevent those elders from harming or giving other brothers and sisters faulty counsel ? Or giving them unscriptural counsel NOT based on Jehovah's word ? I had to speak up on behalf of my responsibility to others in the congregation.
In answer to my other question about what the WT society instructed you and other witnesses about not doing ANY research outside of WT publications - I look forward to your reply when you have more time. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Spike Tassel
flipper: In answer to my other question about what the WT society instructed you and other witnesses about not doing ANY research outside of WT publications - I look forward to your reply when you have more time.
Spike Tassel: Is this a case of "Do as we say but NOT as we do?" THAT makes NO sense, for we must use OUR power of REASON, which we each get from our own THOUGHT processes.
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megs
Spike, I would argue that we are taught to reason... unlike many animals, a human is not born instrinsically knowing what will or won't hurt him, this is learned behaviour, throughout one's life, we learn to reason. Your upbringing affects your ability to reason, therefore if you are raised in a high-control environment, your reasoning ability has been guided by the group in control
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quietlyleaving
hugs back at you angel eyes and I agree with Mr flipper
ANGEL EYES- I would never want you to lose your belief in what you consider " God " or Jehovah. My point was that as you said " you could be happy " exiting the witnesses if you found you needed to in order to find peace of mind . Leaving the witnesses and leaving God would be two entirely different things. the reason I made a separation between Jehovah and the organization is because a well respected self confessed, repentant pedophile began studying with a witness neighbour's son (she also had a young daughter whom she sometimes left at home for the duration of the study). I repeatedly approached the elders to warn the mother. I was told to keep quiet and that If I did not, action would be taken against me (they were being faithful to the strict procedure laid down by the legal dept). The elders did not warn the mother so in the end I did but I told her to check with the elders too. She did and they verified that he was indeed a risk to her daughters and then they told her to always make sure he conducted the study with his wife present and to never leave her daughters at home.
Of course she ended the study as she wasn't going to take any risks. She is still an active witness and enjoys being one.
But the whole experience was shattering for me. After a time I came to see that "Jehovah" symbolizes fatherly security and safety but also the tyranny of smother love - the latter taken to extremes by the WTS. My conceptional framework now symbolically includes "mother" (earth/space and all the unkown) with her endless possibilites but she is quite chaotic too (she is a perfect foil for "Jehovah's orderliness and often disrupts his intentions) while their "son (/daughter)" resembles Chirst, Paul and xjws of course as they all were/are prepared to question the existing order and courageously venture into the unkown and return to share their.
I hope you enjoy your time here.
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quietlyleaving
oops edit time all gone. That second last sentence should finish with "share their new findings"
edit: of course that conceptional framework (mother father and son) does have its problems and this is the thing I have learned - question everything in its details too because an unfortunate human propensity is to justify all sorts of behaviours when concepts are taken to extremes but on the other hand they are necessary to expand thinking and challenge assumptions.