Hey SD-7, are you also Isaacaustin? Isaacaustin is answering questions above with your voice. Post 4613, 4616, 4617 are in question by me.
Regards,
Paul
Borg court: 1st session
by sd-7 111 Replies latest jw friends
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isaacaustin
Mirror cases I guess, although I was never baptized.
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FuzzyPaul
OK, thanks for clearing up your identity Isaacaustin.
Last night after my post I realized that my wearing a beard is an overt challenge to the authority of the Watchtower's leaders and elders. I drew constant attention to myself and thereby kept issues I raised forward in others mind.
To me, wearing a beard in effect said, "I don't believe your assertion that wearing a beard affects anyone adversely.", "You can't make me shave anymore.", "Shaving is a work of the flesh that Paul counciled the Galatians (Ch1) and Colossians (Ch 2) against as striving to make works the way to salvation." "Being independent is good." "I actually read the Bible and don't agree that wearing a beard stumbles anyone." and other related ideas.
The situation SD-7 is in is easily masked by standard Watchtower rhetoric. He is challenging the WT's ideas and authority. He committed a relatively minor offense. He will be harshly treated to make an example out of him for different reasons than his actual offense against the Watchtower.
Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship. A relationship with a person. The Watchtower's portrayal of Jesus makes him appear like one thinks of a computer program that filters data on rules kept. ON or OFF. ONE or ZERO.
He is a Person. And The Good Shepherd. If one of 100 sheep strays he goes out to find it. One is too many to lose, 99 is too few to still have.
Matthew 18:10-14 and Luke 15:3-7
Matthew 7:
The Narrow and Wide Gates
13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' - (NIV)
Verse 23 tells us that it is not outward evidences of works done in Jesus' name but it is the relationship one has with Jesus that counts.
A person can't practice having the Fruitage of The Holy Spirit such as the Watchtower leads one to believe. A tree bears its fruit. The Holy Spirit has its fruit seen in a person's behavior. If one has the Holy Spirit that one will not have a choice, he will have its fruitage.
So, look at the actual content of such elders words and actions. Compare to Galatians 5:22, 23 listing, "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control"
In SD-7's current experiences with Watchtower elders, What's missing?
I have a question, IF you were an elder when you were a JW how did you actually feel about handling a Judicial Committee matter such as Christopher is in?
I am praying for the best possible outcome for Christopher and his wife. They need to leave the Watchtower and find Jesus on His terms. Those who do report wonderful lives after as a result, not spiritual ruin. I do. In my Baptist Church I am LOVED.
Love,
Paul
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isaacaustin
FuzzyPaul, amazing how the same stories and themes repeat over and over in the WT, isn't it?
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kurtbethel
Wow, that reminds me of a scene from my childhood, minus the leather belt and welts for giving the "wrong" answer.
It is really sad that your wife rolled over on you. That is serious disloyalty. You still have the option of not recalling any past wrongdoing, you discussed that privately with Jah, and asking them, "Where is your second witness?"
They let pedophiles skate on that one.
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awildflower
It wasn't even an affair, cyber. He AND HIS WIFE had sex before getting married. YEARS AGO!
Are you kidding me? This is what this is all about?? Christopher, you sound like your handling this ok and I'm glad, but this is ridiculous. My advice to you is to visibly record the next meeting or visibly take notes, or better yet get a lawyer to sit in with you (or someone who looks like a lawyer) or a couple of witnesses to these "proceedings". Or better, better yet, don't meet with these idiots again! I know you must realize by now that these are just men. The only place a scene like this can play out is in a cult! This kind of thing wouldn't even fly in your neighbors back yard let alone a court of law! God this whole thing just makes me sick! But hang in there friend.......
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sd-7
Okay, will the real SD-7 please stand up?
Since all bets are off, let me explain the extent of my crimes, in chronological order. All of it occurred last year:
(1) Apostasy--I began researching the organization and found out about the dishonesty, mind control, etc., etc.
(2) Fornication with woman, one time--it was a bad relationship with a non-JW; I got manipulated by someone who exercised the same kind of behavior as the WT did to me. She was hovering in my life and I kept trying to get her out of my life, but she just kept on coming. Eventually, I was in a vulnerable place; I shared my research with her, and she took advantage of the situation to benefit herself. I had trouble saying no, and...she just kept pressuring me because she wanted to be my first. I interrupted it and we never did anything like that again, but dated for awhile longer. She was very controlling, and I wanted to escape the relationship. That desire to escape led to #3.
(3) Fornication with woman who is now my wife--about 10-15 times over the course of 2.5 months. We have been married for 3 months. It might seem like a fast relationship, but I'd dated her before and waited 5 years to reunite with her. Apart from sin #2, I didn't date anyone else in the meantime or do anything else warranting a committee.
There was no affair whatsoever--absolutely not the case. I got a bit screwed up emotionally after finding out I'd spent my whole life in a cult, and I wanted to experience some of the things I'd denied to myself in the belief that I was serving a greater cause. I wanted to just be free of it all and date someone, so I did. But I made some pretty bad choices in the process, choices I regret. I had to break someone's heart, but she was behaving like a trifling, selfish parasite, so it was inevitable. If I'd done things the honorable way with my wife, we could've avoided this committee--at least until she read my e-mail.
I appreciate the thoughts and prayers posted here. FuzzyPaul--very insightful stuff, thank you. I'm surprised you didn't tell 'em that Russell had a beard, and you were just following in the footsteps of 'that faithful and wise servant'. Worth a try...
But I do realize that manipulation is going on; I did not get to explain it to my wife, and I'm disappointed in how treacherously they behaved in asking her to leave the room before issuing threats and intimidation. Perhaps they thought they were saving me embarrassment about the other woman, but I already told my wife about that situation. If anything, that's the one I feel most guilty about, because I knew that woman wasn't right for me (and some might say the same thing about my wife, granted).
Anyway, to update you, because of illness, second round of trial has been pushed back to Saturday.
--Christopher
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FuzzyPaul
Dear SD-7,
I wouldn't go into a Kingdom Hall even for my Mothers funeral. I don't need the Illuminati explaining to me the Bibles hope for the dead.
I think you are doing better, your tone is improved. No fear. It is forbidden to fear anyone other than God. If you are bi-polar which you mentioned in another post, the indiscreet sexual episodes are actually in the set of symptoms for that disorder.
Have you given any thought to visiting another Church such as I did? I was so buffalo-ed about what Christians in traditional Churches have. Nature abhors a vacuum. When the WT helps you move out will you give it a go?
Love and Blessings,
Paul
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FuzzyPaul
Dear SD-7,
It is not "apostasy" to leave a Christian pretender organization. Apostasy is leaving GOD. Atheism heresy and the like.
You answered the elders that the purpose of the JC was to clean out "uncleanness"? Is that how you view yourself? Look up at the stars, your God made those. He is much bigger than all this stuff going on in your affairs and yet he is interested in everything you do. Ever watch a baby sleep? God even enjoys watching you sleep.
You want to leave the Watchtower for cause, don't you?
Paul
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restrangled
As a therapist use to tell me, that is a total mind fu#k, or to take it down a notch, mental masturbation.
Take care of yourself.
r.