Why do people say the god of the bible is Omnisciencent? (page 2)

undercover

Notice, in pronouncing sentence, He didn't question the Serpent?

He knew!

'cause he knew the Serpent was right. He couldn't call him out in front of the humans...

snowbird

I'm saying that YHWH knew that Adam could sin; He also knew that Adam could not sin.

I believe YHWH was hoping Adam would not.

Sylvia

JWoods

Garden of Eden quantum mechanics at work.

superpunk

Early civilizations didn't seem to have this same notion of all powerful all knowing deities that we have now, once the gnostics lost.

For example, in the bible we have humans "wrestling" with angels all night. At the end of the evening, after apparently just toying with Jacob for hours to see if he would keep fighting (have you ever fought another man for any period of time - anymore than a few minutes for ANYONE is exhausting) he touched him on the hip and lamed him. It was like he just suddenly remembered that he was supernatural. We've got wars going on in "heaven", between beings that apparently can't be harmed.

etc

God chats with ADam in the breezy part of the day. I think it's off-base to claim that God asked where they were because he wanted them to fess up - no, this is just another example of the humanization of the God the bible writers created. He is their "best guess". And he wears alot of different hats.

snowbird

Garden of Eden quantum mechanics at work.

Yes. Amen.

Sylvia

sir82

I'm saying that YHWH knew that Adam could sin; He also knew that Adam could not sin.

In which case, God is not omniscient - there was something that he didn't know. He didn't know which choice Adam would make.

If I flip a coin, I know it could end up heads; it could end up tails. But I don't know which it will be in advance.

Note: I have no problem with accepting that God, if he were to exist, would be limited - not truly omniscient.

snowbird

My point is that sinning was Adam's choosing - he could and then he could not - YHWH's omniscience notwithstanding.

He had all the faculties to just say "NO!!"

Sylvia

thetrueone

Because the god of the bible is a fictitious embellished story told through human imagination and ignorance.

Just like all the other embellished stories of gods throughout human history.

Only the truth is omniscient

superpunk

My point is that sinning was Adam's choosing - he could and then he could not - YHWH's omniscience notwithstanding.

But his omniscience would tell him beforehand what Adam's choice would be. He knew that before he even created him.

Unless you subscribe to the same deal the JWs do - YHWH has selective foreknowledge.

In which case I feel that someone needs to explain how YHWH knows in advance which things he needs to....avoid knowing in advance.

The problems with all such scenarios are obvious.

The Adamic creation account was clearly written by people who weren't all that intelligent (compared to today's societies) for people who weren't going to question it that closely, or think about it that deeply.

notverylikely

My point is that sinning was Adam's choosing - he could and then he could not - YHWH's omniscience notwithstanding.

He had all the faculties to just say "NO!!"

Sylvia

Would it still have been Adam's choice if God looked into the future and knew that he would? If it was still his choice and then Adam didn't sin after God looked into a future where Adam did sin, then God would be wrong.

That's a micro-example of the faultiness of the "God only knows what he chooses to know" argument. It sort of goes along with the "God maneuvers things to happen a certain way" or "God hardened their hearts" ideas. If God is maneuvering things or making people do things, or looks into the future and knows what "choice" they will make, do they really have a choice? If he knows which people will be good and which ones won't, why wait? why not just condemn them now or reward them now?

Why do people say the god of the bible is Omnisciencent?

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