by Elsewhere 96 Replies latest jw friends
How is God KNOWING all possibel outcomes or every decision NOT being all knowing ??
Because posters in favor of this line of theory already have pointed out that he does NOT KNOW WHICH ONE.
This is a mathematical conundrum - like in Kurt Godel's rule. A question that cannot be proven within the symbolic system.
That has exactly zero to do with the God's lack of omniscience.
... but everything to do with your assertion that we apparently cannot choose.
Sylvia
If He knew WHICH ONE, then we don't have free will.
Sylvia
If He knew WHICH ONE, then we don't have free will.
Boom. Exactly.
Because posters in favor of this line of theory already have pointed out that he does NOT KNOW WHICH ONE.
Its irrelevant, God's knowledge is infinite, which one we choose is irrelevant to the fact that he knows them all.
If there was only 10 possible outcomes of a given decision and God had a provision for all of them, which you choose is irelevant to God's capacity to know which one you will chose.
The issue is that I have given a view that ALLOWS for God knowing ALL that can be known AND still have free will.
Which seems to be a point of contention on whether Christainity allows for both, which it obviously does.
How is God KNOWING all possibel outcomes or every decision NOT being all knowing ??
Because that's not what "omniscient" or "all knowing" means, you are changing the definition to suit yourself.
... but everything to do with your assertion that we apparently cannot choose.
My assertion is hat God cannot be all knowing if he doesn't what what we will decide and that, if in fact he is all knowing and knows what we will decide, we are pre-destined to make that decision, thus making it not a decision.
They can't both be true.
Adam ate, God punished him with mortality.
Where does it say that God ever gave him immortality?
Adam died.
Per the account... God's punishment changed after the transgression. What he promised did not happen. A&E were cast out of the Garden. The woman suffered birth pangs and the man would toil the earth until they died. The original punishment spoke of was death...period. And again, nowhere does it say that man was meant to live forever so dying at the end of a long life doesn't cut it as God's punishment being carried out.
So going back to my original comment early in the thread....the serpent pegged God right. Everything the serpent said came true.
So who is omniscient now?
All knowing = infinit knoledge.
The ability to know all that can be known.
God knowing all possible outcomes of any decision we make goes BEYOND knowing what decision we will make because God already knows the outcome of ANY decision before we make it because he knows ALL possible decsions that CAN be made and what their conclusions CAN be.
My assertion is hat God cannot be all knowing if he doesn't what what we will decide and that, if in fact he is all knowing and knows what we will decide, we are pre-destined to make that decision, thus making it not a decision.
They can't both be true.
My assertion is that He can be all-knowing and at the same time make allowance for free will.
Sylvia
God's knowledge is infinite
Then why make provision for all 10 outcomes since he knows which one it will be? Why would god make provisions for 10 outcomes if he already knows which it is? Unless his knowledge isn't infinite...
The issue is that I have given a view that ALLOWS for God knowing ALL that can be known AND still have free will.
Which seems to be a point of contention on whether Christainity allows for both, which it obviously does.
Only if you decide to change the meaning of the words "all knowing", omniscient" and "infinite"
