Why do people say the god of the bible is Omnisciencent? (page 9)

JWoods

They can't both be true.

And that is what has taken 4 pages to boil down here.

Theists (well, many of them) don't like this obvious conclusion because it seems to limit God...but as you have said, it's either that or toss free will overboard.

snowbird

Only if you decide to change the meaning of the words "all knowing", omniscient" and "infinite"

Therein lies the crux of the matter.

God is not bound by our definitions, understandings, or expectations.

You haven't figured that out yet?

Sylvia

superpunk

All knowing = infinit knoledge.
The ability to know all that can be known.

Which would presumably include knowing things like what choices people will make.

As NVL has already pointed out, you cannot on the one hand claim God has infinite knowledge, and on the other hand claim that he doesn't "know" what choices we will make.

And you can't honestly bastardize the meaning of words and concepts in order to fit these contradictory statements together.

If God knows the outcomes to all choices, but doesn't know what choices will be made, then God doesn't know everything.

As I mentioned earlier, this instance of God was simply meant for the people of the time - people who thought God had human characteristics - anyone who takes the time to think through it in this day and age should aptly reject it as nonsense, because of how contradictory the tale is.

notverylikely

God knowing all possible outcomes of any decision we make goes BEYOND knowing what decision we will make because God already knows the outcome of ANY decision before we make it because he knows ALL possible decsions that CAN be made and what their conclusions CAN be.

I see you prefer camel to gnat....

sir82

Theists (well, many of them) don't like this obvious conclusion because it seems to limit God...but as you have said, it's either that or toss free will overboard.

Or, you can be like some posters and assert (without anything resembling a coherent, much less compelling, argument) that you can have it both ways..."Isn't it a miracle?"

Leolaia

Whoa look at this thread go!

superpunk

God is not bound by our definitions, understandings, or expectations.
You haven't figured that out yet?

This reminds me of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3jDoEBqg5c&feature=related

"Judo could be anything - including guns!"

notverylikely

God is not bound by our definitions, understandings, or expectations.

You haven't figured that out yet?

So the words inthe bible don't accurately describe god?

undercover

infinit knoledge

Is that anything like infinite knowledge?

Snotrag

Is not the overriding factor what he said himself " I will be as I will be" Whether he knows all or chooses not to know his actions will be as he wants, those that were able to change his mind by reasoning were indeed fortunate. How he chooses is not in the scope of mans job description.

Why do people say the god of the bible is Omnisciencent?

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