Best Argument for Atheism? (page 5)

wobble

If there was a God, I do not think that I would like Him.

Judge Dread

The best argument for atheism is that you become the God-Maker.

Judge Dread

Open mind

I don't care much for Richard Dawkins' manner. He comes across as arrogant, condescending and dogmatic. He has, IMO, become the poster child for Atheistic Fundamentalism.

Having said that, even Dawkins, arrogant as he may be, reasonably (dare I say humbly) admits, deep in the bowels of "The God Delusion", that God may possibly exist.

How many true believing Theists are willing to do the same and admit that they POSSIBLY might be wrong and that POSSIBLY there may be no God?

om

cofty

Here's the PDF of a his PowerPoint presentation;

I had a read at David Galloway's power-point, I was imagining how intensely frustrating it would have been to sit through that presentation without the opportunity to challenge the numerous fallacies. Preaching to the choir is easy.

There is no doubt faith can be made to sound reasonable and rational but it needs to avoid the difficult questions. LeavingWT makes a good point about objectivity, I agree its not possible for a believer to be genuinely objective about their faith

jaguarbass

The best argument for atheism that I can think of is,

the argument for God is not made beyond a reasonable doubt.

That is why faith is required.

Generally jurys do not convict someone to death without eveidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

Whether there is a perponderance of evidence or not that is for the jury to decide.

And each one of us are on the jury. In forums like this we are testing our ideas and

looking for loop holes.

If we werent we would not respond to such a post. We wold be on the sports page

or the music page, or watching lost.

jaguarbass

wobble says

If there was a God, I do not think that I would like Him.

My favorite theory is that when you die and find out there is a God.

You are him.

tec

How many true believing Theists are willing to do the same and admit that they POSSIBLY might be wrong and that POSSIBLY there may be no God? -om

I was thinking about this the other day, and I hope I can make this clear enough that atheists and agnostics may understand what I'm trying to get across.

What, exactly, does it cost an atheist to admit to the possibility of God?

I believe in Jesus. I believe in his teachings, and his stance, and I believe that he came and showed us exactly who and what makes up the attributes of God.

But it is both uncomfortable and almost impossible for me to admit in the possibility that God does not exist.

Why?

I could care less about losing face, eating crow, or simply being made to look like an ignorant fool-- of which I have no doubt appeared to be on numerous other occasions:)

But how can I love and trust someone with my whole heart, and then turn around, shrug and say... "Of course, I have to be fair and admit that you might not actually exist..." ?

If I do so, then I have now betrayed someone I profess to love, and this creates a terrible conflict in both my mind and my heart.

I can certainly respect your right to your disbelief in anything not proven, and I certainly respect whatever and wherever your personal journey brings you. But in my opinion, expecting a believer to admit to the possibility of the non-existence of God is not equivalent to asking an atheist to admit to the possibility of the existence of God.

Tammy

Open mind

tec:

What a very well-considered post.

expecting a believer to admit to the possibility of the non-existence of God is not equivalent to asking an atheist to admit to the possibility of the existence of God.

I see where you're coming from and can certainly respect that.

om

Open mind

Did anyone see this ABC News Nightline Face Off?

Here's the description:

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The "Face-Off" is a recurring series where opposing sides debate hot topics. In the sixth installment of the series, Deepak Chopra, a physician and best-selling author of "How to Know God," and prominent scholar, philosopher and writer Jean Houston, will face-off against Michael Shermer, founding publisher of "Skeptic" magazine, and Sam Harris, author of "The End of Faith" on the tension between God and science.

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And here's the link:

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerindex?id=10174987

This was one of most civil, non-inflammatory discussions I've seen between believers and non-believers. The moderator happened to be a believer, but did a great job of getting multiple viewpoints on the table.

om

tec

OM - Thank you. I'm glad I communicated my feelings properly. I'm going to check out your link.

LeavingWT - To me, any point of view that is stated in rude, belittling, and sarcastic tones - whether done by an atheist, an agnostic, or a theist - immediately discredits everything that person stands for. So while I might not share your views, and you might not share my faith, I wanted to tell you that the respectful tone you use in all of your posts is most definitely appreciated.

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